democracy

[threaded]

I think there's a phrase used for life back then, when you weren't one of the landed gentry: nasty, brutish and short..

Was it though? If you look around graveyards most appear to have lived to a good age. Not as old as now, but still a decent 3 score + 10.

Yes, there was a high childhood death rate, and that pulls the average down, but if you drop that group it doesn't look all that bad, considering they didn't have modern medicines etc..

Anyways, most of that 'nasty, brutish,short' nonsense is down to propaganda against the catholic church by the protestants. It's why they called it the dark ages, as it just wasn't taught in schools.

[BrowneIssue]

threaded, I have never responded to one of your posts before. But I feel compelled.

You've been getting your history from some very strange sources.

[threaded]

threaded, I have never responded to one of your posts before. But I feel compelled.

You've been getting your history from some very strange sources.

Don't be shy, give us some data that contradicts my position.

[cupidstunt]

We look forward to the advert for a replacement to do the job again, properly.

Except the rate will have gone up...

threaded, I have never responded to one of your posts before.

Well not since yesterday anyway

[EternalOptimist]

Don't be shy, give us some data that contradicts my position.

Threaded, I am a trained historian. You are wrong here, it is just plain daft to try to evaluate the standard, quality or longevity of life from a few gravestones that you have seen in a cemetry.

nice though the cemetries are

[TimberWolf]

Psalms 90:

The days of our years are threescore years and ten;
and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years,
yet is their strength labor and sorrow;
for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

i.e 70, or 80 if you is lucky. I'm with threaded here, on the longevity issue anyway. No doubt there have been periods when it was much less, but those were probably in more recent times.

[sasguru]

Threaded, I am a trained historian. You are wrong here, it is just plain daft to try to evaluate the standard, quality or longevity of life from a few gravestones that you have seen in a cemetry.

nice though the cemetries are

You don't understand. The fat one went back to feudal times in his time machine.

[EternalOptimist]

i.e 70, or 80 if you is lucky. I'm with threaded here, on the longevity issue anyway. No doubt there have been periods when it was much less, but those were probably in more recent times.

ah the bible.
rock solid facts, just when you need them

[threaded]

Threaded, I am a trained historian. You are wrong here, it is just plain daft to try to evaluate the standard, quality or longevity of life from a few gravestones that you have seen in a cemetry.

nice though the cemetries are

Apart from the grave stones, which I used as a way to get you out and just look at things rather than sit back and be spoon fed crap from the TV. You know like a porper historian does, and looks to the sources. I could also say I've read Expectations of Life, H.O. Lancaster, 1990: years 1200-1300 a male could expect to live to be 64.

Go on, try me on another.

[snaw]

i.e 70, or 80 if you is lucky. I'm with threaded here, on the longevity issue anyway. No doubt there have been periods when it was much less, but those were probably in more recent times.

Infant mortality. Child birth. Disease pandemics. Rudimentary healthcare and ignorance on the importance of hygiene meaning even small injury's could be life threatening. Starvation. Access to clean drink water.

That's just a small list off the top of my head. Seriously, you'se are both mental.