The Mayor of Doncaster

[ookook]

The problem is that the bleeding hearts seem to think it is our duty to spend our money to facilitate us fitting in with the migrants and not them fitting in with us. That is what this mayor is trying to stop.
These migrants seem very capable of understanding when it comes to claiming asylum and benefits or when they claim for discrimination.
Many want to bring their own culture and ways with them. The culture and ways that has made their own country either so poor they need to work elsewhere or so intolerant that they cant live there.

I have no issue with migrants (economic or otherwise), I am one. I try and learn the language of the country I am in and I try to fit in with local custom. If I am asked how the English do it or if there is an English equivelant then I am only too pleased to answer.
If there is a local law that I dont like I either comply with it or do not go. I would not dream of using human rights laws to insist they change their laws.

WHS. I was self employed in Spain for 2 years. I had to wade through the mountain of bureaucracy myself as you'd expect, using spanish speaking friends to help until I could do it myself. No options for other languages, no translations services, no free spanish classes no nothing which is how it should be. You adapt to the country you're living in rather than it adapting to you.

[MrMark]

Great thread - especially the "half a bigot" spot!

Be good to see these English Democrats (Motto: Putting England First) gain more positions of power. Would guarantee the break-up of the UK.

[Churchill]

Anyways, why are Bogeyman and Churchill so hung up about this new mayor of Doncaster: is it his manifesto pledge to cancel the gay pride march, or judging by the way they struggle with the language: the translation services?

I may not be homosexual but I'm certainly not homophobic!

I think we should have a celebration of hetero-pride here in the North West!
(Ooops, we've got one, it's called Morris Dancing!)

[bren586]

WHS. <SNIP> no free spanish classes no nothing which is how it should be. You adapt to the country you're living in rather than it adapting to you.

Not sure about the no free language classes.

If we do not give the new arrivals (v. neutral term) a leg up then we will always be giving them a hand out.

Ignore the reason why they are here. That is in the past. Give them the tools to become tax payers and English is a prerequisite for living and working in England.

[DodgyAgent]

I may not be homosexual but I'm certainly not homophobic!

I think we should have a celebration of hetero-pride here in the North West!
(Ooops, we've got one, it's called Morris Dancing!)

which phone box would you use as the venue?

[DodgyAgent]

Not sure about the no free language classes.

If we do not give the new arrivals (v. neutral term) a leg up then we will always be giving them a hand out.

Ignore the reason why they are here. That is in the past. Give them the tools to become tax payers and English is a prerequisite for living and working in England.

OK apply the same rules to students. Give them a student loan to learn English and once they start earning they pay it back.

People have no respect for anything that is "free", I am afraid your attitude is patronising (to immigrants). Afford them the same respect we have for our students.

[bren586]

If you make it a loan then they will have a reason not to do it. Also don't some regions prohibit borrowing money with interest? or is it just lending it?

In no way was I intending to be patronising - I just want a system that works (in a few lines).

If they learn English then they can go into the mainstream instead of being marginalised.

At some point we have to do something for them. To start them off.

[Cyberman]

WHS. I was self employed in Spain for 2 years. I had to wade through the mountain of bureaucracy myself as you'd expect, using spanish speaking friends to help until I could do it myself. No options for other languages, no translations services, no free spanish classes no nothing which is how it should be. You adapt to the country you're living in rather than it adapting to you.

It was the same for me in Germany. I had to learn the language in order to understand official forms etc. Our HMG are just trying to win votes from ethnic minorities in marginal seats. It should stop !!

[The Lone Gunman]

If you make it a loan then they will have a reason not to do it. Also don't some regions prohibit borrowing money with interest? or is it just lending it?

In no way was I intending to be patronising - I just want a system that works (in a few lines).

If they learn English then they can go into the mainstream instead of being marginalised.

At some point we have to do something for them. To start them off.

<ahem>Bollocks</ahem>It is up to them. Pure and simple. They have chosen to come to the UK they have to make adjustments to their lives to fit in and do well.

[DodgyAgent]

If you make it a loan then they will have a reason not to do it. Also don't some regions prohibit borrowing money with interest? or is it just lending it?

In no way was I intending to be patronising - I just want a system that works (in a few lines).

If they learn English then they can go into the mainstream instead of being marginalised.

At some point we have to do something for them. To start them off.

Give me one example of giving people something for nothing does them any good.

Life is simple. If they dont learn the language they dont get on. People need to take responsibility for themselves. One of my favourite examples applies to contractors. We all know what a bunch of nerdy couched potato real ale drinking slobs you all are yet in terms of days off for sickness you are the healthiest group of workers in the country.

Why? because you dont get paid for taking time off for sickness.. funny that.
If someone couldnt feed themselves because they couldnt speak the local lingo they would learn PDQ