Are there any Tory voters here?

[OwlHoot]

Ok. Give me an example of the Tories moving to left-wing policies before an election. You won't be able to ...

Sorry, but that's rubbish. Taking just two examples, Michael Howard went along with Labour's unprincipled decision to abolish the legal principle of double jeopardy, and the Tories have been complicit in Labour's damaging reforms of the House of Lords.

[Cyberman]

Sorry, but that's rubbish. Taking just two examples, Michael Howard went along with Labour's unprincipled decision to abolish the legal principle of double jeopardy, and the Tories have been complicit in Labour's damaging reforms of the House of Lords.

That's not a left-wing policy and is purely a natural move in view of scientific advances which any political party would surely agree with. If further evidence arises, it is only right that the person should be tried again. With the advent of new DNA evidence and other advances in forensic science it makes total sense.

[bogeyman]

Sorry, but that's rubbish. Taking just two examples, Michael Howard went along with Labour's unprincipled decision to abolish the legal principle of double jeopardy, and the Tories have been complicit in Labour's damaging reforms of the House of Lords.

Too true.

If only the Tories would be true blue instead of pandering to the left-middle ground and obscenely writhing under the sheets with Labour then I think more people would respect and support them.

[Cyberman]

Sorry, but that's rubbish. Taking just two examples, Michael Howard went along with Labour's unprincipled decision to abolish the legal principle of double jeopardy, and the Tories have been complicit in Labour's damaging reforms of the House of Lords.

I'm not sure what you mean by the House of Lords reforms with regard to the Tories, but whatever the Tory view, it is largely irrelevant because of the large Labour majority in the Commons.

[d000hg]

Kindly fekk off.

I've heard enough of the 'Tories are Scum' crap. I used to vote Labour when I was a clueless teenager, but I grew up abrubtly, when I realized they considered me their class enemy.

I have never felt so enamored of any political party that I would join them or donate to their coffers - they are all climbers of the greasy pole to a greater or lesser extent but! BUT..

If you consider this authoritarian, secretive, neo-fascist 'government' worthy of your vote over the Tories, then you must be a complete and utter fekking moron of the first water.

Labour are 'scum', useless, micromanaging, fascistic, power-mad, incompetent scum at that.

Nice well-reasoned post there. Always good to bring hatred and general emotionalism into politics.

[BrilloPad]

NO frickin chance. Labour = bad - Tories = scum

Why did you resurrect this thread?

[BrilloPad]

Kindly fekk off.

I've heard enough of the 'Tories are Scum' crap. I used to vote Labour when I was a clueless teenager, but I grew up abrubtly, when I realized they considered me their class enemy.

I have never felt so enamored of any political party that I would join them or donate to their coffers - they are all climbers of the greasy pole to a greater or lesser extent but! BUT..

If you consider this authoritarian, secretive, neo-fascist 'government' worthy of your vote over the Tories, then you must be a complete and utter fekking moron of the first water.

Labour are 'scum', useless, micromanaging, fascistic, power-mad, incompetent scum at that.

You missed the point. Labour are scum : but so are the tories. Unfortunately anything else is a wasted vote.

Could this thread now die please?

[TykeMerc]

You missed the point. Labour are scum : but so are the tories. Unfortunately anything else is a wasted vote.

Could this thread now die please?

I agree they're both equally scum ridden, I don't believe anything that any politician says as their sole interest is getting into power for its own sake.

[d000hg]

I agree they're both equally scum ridden, I don't believe anything that any politician says as their sole interest is getting into power for its own sake.

I think that's too crass a generalisation. Ego and ambition surely have their place even for those who actually get into politics for noble reasons, but that doesn't mean there aren't politicians who genuinely believe in what they're doing. I don't know if that's a tiny minority though, hard to say especially at higher levels of government once the press starts following you and you can't say what you think any more. Personally, I can't imagine being in the cabinet is much fun right now anyway.

[Board Game Geek]

I've just deleted my post.

TBH, all this voting malarkey is bollux.

When politcians can be held personally accountable, and have to meet performance targets, audited by external auditors, then I might be interested.

Dodgy MP with a nose in the trough ?

Public hanging.

There is no other way.

The people that govern us need to be whiter than white.

Otherwise we are only goverened by the corrupt, for the corrupt.