BNP Members list leaked on the internet

[EternalOptimist]

Anyway, I will go do some work now - it is shocking that basic freedoms like freedom of speech needs to be defended in this country by someone who immigration from Soviet Union. Well, maybe it's not suprising - too many people in this country take things for granted.

dont be too hasty in being shocked AtW. We also take it for granted that we can speculate, hypothesise , plays devils advocate and see things from the other guys pov.
But when it comes down to it, rely on a Brit more than on a Russki.

How many russkis joined the SS in WWII, thousands
How many Brits ? one

[Bagpuss]

Could this be a publicity stunt?

[M_B]

I find it amusing people defending the elimination of political parties that disagree with them...is stated as a way of avoiding another Nazi Germany.... to me it is a clear step towards nazi Germany, not a way of avoiding it.

Yes it is a catch-22.

[AtW]

The ethnic minority population countrywide is still under 10%, contrary to popular impression. And the Nazi party was similarly small at some part of its history. Prolonged economic dislocation and desperation causes people to behave differently and believe every demagogue who comes along.

I will talk about that when inflation reaches 1000% pa, before that you have zero case - unlike you I actually lived through economic conditions like this and I've seen fascist scum taking advantage of it, but before that happened the whole country was pretty much conditioned to be nationalistic and racists, this is not something that in my view typical of British society at the moment at all, no economic conditions too.

The irony is that Hitler party was also supressed at some stage but it only helped them, that's why BNP should not be given any credibility by doing clearly illegal actions against them.

[EternalOptimist]

Could this be a publicity stunt?

If I was in charge, I would be looking for my tin of glee

[Mich the Tester]

That's not freedom then is it?

For example, you are free to disagree with me on this, but if you do there will be consequences... so I kinda wouldn't advise it, know what I mean?

Losing one's job is catastrophic to many people - you may as well pull the trigger yourself you fascist thug.

I am an employer. I also run a testing team for my client. I should be free to decide whom I employ, and so should my client. If I employ someone and then go around snooping into his private life to find reasons to sack him, that would be wrong, and rather big brotherish. If however I’m presented with the evidence that the employee is a member of an organisation that campaigns for his own colleagues to be deported for not being British and that employee can’t give me a good explanation about that evidence, then I should be free to get rid of him, because his presence is a threat to the performance of the organisation; this is even more so when employees have to rely on their colleagues in dangerous situations, as the police and armed forces are asked to do. You cannot ask a black soldier to put his life in the hands of people that you know have joined a racist party. If they leave him dying by the roadside in Basra when they could have saved his life, would you like to go to his mum and say ‘yeah, we knew he was a racist gobtulipe because he joined the BNP, but we thought he’d treat your son as his equal’?

[Xenophon]

I find it amusing people defending the elimination of political parties that disagree with them...is stated as a way of avoiding another Nazi Germany.... to me it is a clear step towards nazi Germany, not a way of avoiding it.

I don't want them eliminated. Punished if the law is broken, yes.

However, it is interesting to hear the unwavering pro-democracy, pro-free speech views here. Like sas says, would people still be so happy if they got in and suspended the democratic process?

[Xenophon]

I'll fight against them making it into Govt and if enough people of this country do the same I think it can be won. If vast majority supports them then I'd most likely leave the country like I left Russia - I'd go to USA where citizens have firearms and will defend their freedom if necessary.

I think you could be forced to leave the country.

Not nice.

[AtW]

How many russkis joined the SS in WWII, thousands How many Brits ? one

You probably mean Soviets here rather than Russians - Baltic states had SS divisions, this was because SS was the only units they could join as Wehrmacht would not accept non-Germans (suprising really - one would expect it to be the other way around).

There were sure plenty of Ukrainians and some Russians - the reason is that communists killed a lot of people who held different political views, so some in desperation joined Hitler when given opportunity - initially in 41-42 his aims were not clear and after that it was too late. This was for those people effectively continuation of civil war that raged country just 20 years before that.

SS were ground forces anyway, and all serious ground fighting was happening on the Ostfront. It would be interesting hypothetical question on how many British would have joined the SS if German ground forces occupied whole of England and the Govt evacuated to Scotland with the last line of defence there. My guess is that there would be more than one.

[Platypus]

If however I’m presented with the evidence that the employee is a member of an organisation that campaigns for his own colleagues to be deported for not being British and that employee can’t give me a good explanation about that evidence, then I should be free to get rid of him, because his presence is a threat to the performance of the organisation

I see what you mean but I'd prefer to wait for evidence that his membership was having an undesirable effect, rather than sack him because it might.

I mean, isn't that like me firing a homosexual man because I'm worried he might start to feel up other team members?

I know a (small) number of gay people and they manage to keep their sexual preferences out of the workplace. Perhaps someone who tends towards certain views on race can do that too?