People 'can't wait for ID cards'

[Moscow Mule]

Just a question for the anti-immigration lot.

How do you stop an illegal working here currently, given that there are no mandatory forms of id?

Illegal: Can I have a job please?

Business ownner: Are you legal to work here?

Illegal: Yes, I am english (honest) but I have no passport or no driver's licence by the way.

Business Owner (knowing full well he is an illegal): well, that is ok its not a crime, come on in and have the job. I will just have to trust you when you say you are english Yuriy.

Police Man: Naughty Naughty businessman, you have employed an illegal.

Business Man: Well how was I supposed to know? He told me he was english, and there is no way for me to verify it is there?

Police Man: Fair enough, I cant really prosicute you then can I? Carry on sir.

So how the flip do you stop business using illegals under the current system?

Answers on a post, er I mean, id card please.

National insurance number (required unless working cash in hand)

[HairyArsedBloke]

So you are Hazel Blears.

Stabitty Stab stab stab.

He could be Derek 'Dolly' Draper.

[Pickle2]

National insurance number (required unless working cash in hand)

You can get one in a second of one of many websites!

[BoredBloke]

Is the best the pro ID card people can come up with? A massive complex and hugely expensive system to replace the cheap and already functioning NI card system.

[ace00]

You can get one in a second of one of many websites!

You're correct. The problem is the implementation. If you think the government will do a good job of implementing ID cards, then you are Jakie Smith's sockpuppet.

[Paddy]

I think I will get my ID card from here, it’s cheaper.

http://www.phatism.com/ID-CARD-CATALOGUE.htm

My experience is that I have already been a victim of personal information being sold by government departments for illicit purposes therefore I don’t rust that the information on the identity card will be kept sake from abuse.

There was a case in 2005 where a Nigerian had a forged passport and borrowed £50k from HSBC and other banks to fund a drug ring. It was only after he was arrested and checks were made that showed the passport was forged.

The problem with identity cards will be that common sense will no longer be part of checking people. If they have an ID card, no questions will be asked. It will be the innocent that will suffer, inconvenienced and abused.

[Pickle2]

You're correct. The problem is the implementation. If you think the government will do a good job of implementing ID cards, then you are Jakie Smith's sockpuppet.

Ah, the lights gone on. So, you're saying its not the ID cards themselves that are the problem after all, its just your fear that they may be implented badly by a labour government?

[Moscow Mule]

Ah, the lights gone on. So, your saying its not the ID cards themselves that are the problem after all, its just your fear that they may be implented badly by a labour government?

Not for me, my fear is that

The problem with identity cards will be that common sense will no longer be part of checking people. If they have an ID card, no questions will be asked. It will be the innocent that will suffer, inconvenienced and abused.

comes to pass.

I plan on having two or three with a few different addresses to match my multiple passports. If the government are intent on making innocent folks into criminals, I'm going to go the whole hog myself.

[Purple Dalek]

You're correct. The problem is the implementation. If you think the government will do a good job of implementing ID cards, then you are Jakie Smith's sockpuppet.

But the government will not be implementing it. That will be left to the usual suspects who have proven zero interest in building working systems.

Infering from previous projects it is quite sensible to predict it'll actually be more screwed up than the current NI number system.

[swamp]

ID Cards are great news for contractors. They'll be tons of work:

a) designing it
b) building it
c) fixing it when EDS/CAP/Arce-Enter have ballsed it up
d) maintaining it (for the cheap-o tape changers here)
e) integrating it with Wacky Jackie's database etc.

BOOMED!