People 'can't wait for ID cards'

[minestrone]

Not End of, but Start of.

I can't believe anyone in IT (supposedly) can be so utterly thick and naive.

Of course they'll start out optional, but as several people have pointed out once banks and companies start demanding to see them how will it be possible not to have one? Then, once practically everyone is forced in practice to have one, before you know it they'll be made compulsory.

This is the ludicrous clap trap everyone spouts. Nobody can actually form a decent workable argument against the cards so the people who don’t want them start making up scenarios and try to use them in a debate. “yes it’s just the start next you will have to RFID your turds” type pish.

It is the ramblings of people who if it was 80 years ago would be saying that mind control suggestion were being transmitted in TV signals.

I’m more worried that we live in a country full of sensationalist gaylords than ID cards.

[ace00]

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Are you a mentalist?

[minestrone]

Yet. Their stated aim is to make it compulsory one day. The question remains, will you get one when they become available?

Where?

I would like to know where that is stated.

Again you have made up a fact then tried to extrapolate it into some scenario to try and make a point from it. The fact remains you are talking mince.

[BoredBloke]

I have worked in jobs where I have needed to be Security Cleared.

Nobody is forcing me to to be Security Cleared.

Are you for real?

To work in a security cleared role it is compulsory to be security cleared. Try getting the role without getting cleared. So by the same token, those working at Manchester Airport MUST have these voluntary cards to continue doing their jobs. For them it IS compulsory or they have to find another job.

Next it will be rolled out to everybody working at all airports and those who supply all our airports. It will creep out to more and more people until a point is reached where x% already have the card and they will make it compulsory for all.

[expat]

Honestly, I can't see the problem with them. If it meant I din't havr to carry a passport and a driving licence around with me, you know just had one card for everything?

I'm sure that you lot have perfectly good reasons for not wanting them but me, I don't see what the big deal is.

This is the country that finally replaced the paper driving licence with a card, but added a new paper part that you also need to carry around.

[Bagpuss]

I've still got my old paper one

[EternalOptimist]

Where?

I would like to know where that is stated.

Again you have made up a fact then tried to extrapolate it into some scenario to try and make a point from it. The fact remains you are talking mince.

Tony Blair and Blunkett clearly stated that the intention was to make them compulsory.

The pilot at Manchester IS compulsory

[Doggy Styles]

Let's have a look at what the government and the naive wants ID cards for, eh? Sorry, can't remember where I got the bones of this from.

Preventing terrorism

The best that an ID Card can possibly do is to prove who someone is. It can never prove their intent. If I wake up tomorrow and decide to plant a bomb then no ID Card will stop me.

Preventing identity theft

Only the technically naive can believe that it will be "impossible" to fake ID Cards, even with biometrics. Cards will be faked, the system will be compromised. ID Cards will be a skeleton key to your identity. A fraudster can clone an identity card with his biometrics and your identity.

Preventing benefit fraud

Most benefit fraud comes from people claiming benefit whilst actually working or otherwise lying about their circumstances. Identity Cards will do nothing to prevent this.

Preventing illegal immigration

ID cards will not deter illegal immigrants, they will still come. Nor will ID Cards allow illegal immigrants to be deported more easily. By definition people in the country illegally will not apply for the cards and will avoid places where these cards need to be shown. Or they will obtain cloned cards. If this makes things difficult then many illegal immigrants will have no choice but to turn to crime to survive, raising the crime rate.

Preventing electoral fraud

The vast majority of electoral fraud is through postal voting, which would clearly have nothing to do with ID cards.

Bringing us into line with the rest of Europe

What for? The Spanish compulsory Identity Card system did nothing to prevent the Madrid massacre.

[Purple Dalek]

“yes it’s just the start next you will have to RFID your turds” type pish.

Do you know the septics have turned the RFID activated IED idea around and are having great success in taking out bad guys in Afghanistan with just that very thing: RFIDs in the baddys turds. Leaves a trail better than a mobile phone. Bad guys eat the RFIDs without realising, and then nature does the rest.

[minestrone]

Are you for real?

To work in a security cleared role it is compulsory to be security cleared. Try getting the role without getting cleared. So by the same token, those working at Manchester Airport MUST have these voluntary cards to continue doing their jobs. For them it IS compulsory or they have to find another job.

Next it will be rolled out to everybody working at all airports and those who supply all our airports. It will creep out to more and more people until a point is reached where x% already have the card and they will make it compulsory for all.

You have to get a driving licence to drive a car but they are not compulsory.

Again a "i'm making up something that will never happen" argument