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[Lucifer Box]

There's only one group of men in the UK trained for such operations and they're not police officers.

Who? Or would you have to kill me first?

[SupremeSpod]

Those guys belonged to the armed section of the MET. There is no conspiracy here.

Also was really p1ssed at the beeb on saturday night running a story about the guys family calling the police incompetent and so on. The story served absolutely no useful purpose YET the beeb ran it simply for its ratings it would get form running such a story.

Mailman

Bollocks.

[Lucifer Box]

IMO they have got to be a lot more certain that the individual is actually a suicide bomber. There appear to have been a series of blunders on the police's part. First of all they were wasting resources monitoring a bunch of innocent people. When a asian looking man, wearing a puffy jacket failed to stop and ran onto a train they saw it fit fire 5 bullets into his skull. IMO this does not demonstrate the required caution they should be exercising when choosing to shoot somebody dead.

So are you saying that if the same situation occurred today, that is a man believed to have come from a location connected to suicide bombers, dressed strangely, who legs it for the nearest public transport target when challenged, should be allowed on his way?

I wonder what people would say if he had detonated a bomb on that train and the police said, "well, we weren't 100% certain and it was always possible he didn't understand that we wanted him to stop so we let him go".

[SupremeSpod]

So are you saying that if the same situation occurred today, that is a man believed to have come from a location connected to suicide bombers, dressed strangely, who legs it for the nearest public transport target when challenged, should be allowed on his way?

I wonder what people would say if he had detonated a bomb on that train and the police said, "well, we weren't 100% certain and it was always possible he didn't understand that we wanted him to stop so we let him go".

I wouldn't have let the fecker anywhere near a train or a station!

[Lucifer Box]

Bollocks.

Spod, who were they? In the nicest possible way, put up or shut up, otherwise you risk being mistaken for Threaded. EEK!

[Lucifer Box]

I wouldn't have let the fecker anywhere near a train or a station!

By shooting him before he got inside? I wouldn't disagree with that.

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Remember, don't run when the sandwich trolley comes round. One wrong move and you could be cut down by a pork pie right between the eyes from the canteen staff.

But still, history will show that complicated cases evolve out of these shootings:
Waldorf salad

Other cases

[SupremeSpod]

Spod, who were they? In the nicest possible way, put up or shut up, otherwise you risk being mistaken for Threaded. EEK!

Does Gibraltar ring any bells?

Anyone noticed that Hereford is rather quiet at the moment?

[Lucifer Box]

Does Gibraltar ring any bells?

Anyone noticed that Hereford is rather quiet at the moment?

Quite a few are in Afghanistan and Iraq. Mind you, one of them had his mugshot in the Independent on Sunday (guy in jeans, t-shirt and trainers wandering around Stockwell with an MP5) so that could prove an embarassing lapse as regards protecting their identities.

[BobTheCrate]

"So are you saying that if the same situation occurred today, that is a man believed to have come from a location connected to suicide bombers, dressed strangely, who legs it for the nearest public transport target when challenged, should be allowed on his way?"

Lucifer, that is exactly what the Police did allow. They didn't make any split second decision, "right... take the shot". They couldn't because presumably they only had a pistol and couldn't make an accurate enough shot on such a moving target. If they had got a sniper able to take the shot before the other officers could reach him, that would have sounded a more defendable course of action and would have been consistant with a shoot to kill policy. But the Police didn't have a marksman or accurate enough firearm. They probably had no choice but to physically pursue.

So they pursued him onto the train (taking the unavoidable risk he might still detonate) and then were able to bundle the suspect to the ground. Two of the Police held him down. This so called suspect at this point was then physically restrained as he was 'held down' by 2 highly trained officers with a 3rd officer pointing a pistol directly at his head.

I think it is now reasonable to have strong reservations as to any imminent threat this so called suspect now posed and think it is reasonable to question why the suspect at this moment in time, once caught and physically held down, posed a serious enough threat to be shot in the head 5 times by the 3rd officer.

Was this a shoot to kill policy or was this an execution policy? From what the witnesses have described thus far it sounds more like the latter.

I'm not screaming out 'foul' at the Police. I'm just reserving judgement on an incident that is worthy of more consideration than many have demonstrated thus far.