England vs Croatia predictions

[DodgyAgent]

whilst I will accept the legitimacy of collins, rokokoko et al who were new Zealanders Before they became identified as very good rugby players, the likes of Sivivatu were clearly coerced at an age when they would have been recognised as stars of the future. It may indeed be that by and large the All Blacks are made up of bona fide new Zealanders whether they be born in NZ, samoa, Timbuktu or manchester, but the point being made is do NZ poach players at a young age and coerce them into becoming all blacks?

If Sivivatu is the only one then you are right about Stephen Jones. If it is endemic within the All Blacks then he has a point.

We are all mostly immigrants at some stage, and the likes of Pietersen, Stephens may not have the Nationalist legitimacy of say Will greenwood, but the line needs to be drawn somewhere. If players are voluntarily or by birth qualifying for a particular country (as do Riki Flutey and Glen jackson- both of who are potential NZ England players) then fine. But coercing and poaching young players from other countries (and Sivivatu is a prime example) who have great potential, particularly if they are from poor countries then that is a step too far. After all the loss of Brendan Lainey was not exactly going to send NZ rugby into turmoil was it? whereas the loss of Sivivatu was a major blow to Fijian rugby.

the problem you kiwis have Tay is that you will not accept any criticism of your precious rugby team from anyone outside NZ. You kiwis need to take a leaf out of the aussie book and show a little self effacement.. pommie or aussie style!

[sasguru]

blah blah blah .

Give it up. You choked to the Frogs. Now go back to rugby school and when your team has half the grit, determination ,will-power, sheer bloody-mindedness and focus of England then come back and we'll give you a game.

[tay]

whilst I will accept the legitimacy of collins, rokokoko et al who were new Zealanders Before they became identified as very good rugby players, the likes of Sivivatu were clearly coerced at an age when they would have been recognised as stars of the future. It may indeed be that by and large the All Blacks are made up of bona fide new Zealanders whether they be born in NZ, samoa, Timbuktu or manchester, but the point being made is do NZ poach players at a young age and coerce them into becoming all blacks?

If Sivivatu is the only one then you are right about Stephen Jones. If it is endemic within the All Blacks then he has a point.

He came over on a football scholarship, not a rugby one. So he wasnt poached for rugby either. Every other PI in the AB's was here at primary school age or was born here. Kinda blows your example out of the water doesnt it.

I remember Sivi playing for Counties Manakau and he was nervous as hell in a pre game interview because it was only his 10th game of rugby ever, as up until that point he had always played football.

the problem you kiwis have Tay is that you will not accept any criticism of your precious rugby team from anyone outside NZ. You kiwis need to take a leaf out of the aussie book and show a little self effacement.. pommie or aussie style!

Thats because the allegations are blatantly untrue and are simply the result tulip stirring. Its not criticism, its simply lies.

Please name one example of a poached PI playing for the AB's.

The problem with the British rugby supporters is that they believe everything they read in the tabloids and are incapable of looking at the facts for themselves. Dont let yourself be led by the nose.

but the point being made is do NZ poach players at a young age and coerce them into becoming all blacks?

No.. they do not. Your pathetic rugby journalists never provide any proof.... and often just trot out the same old lies.

[tay]

Give it up. You choked to the Frogs. Now go back to rugby school and when your team has half the grit, determination ,will-power, sheer bloody-mindedness and focus of England then come back and we'll give you a game

Oh shush.. the adults are talking.

[sasguru]

Oh shush.. the adults are talking.

Like I said, blah blah, hot air galore.
The results are what matter.
I don't care if you poach your players from Timbuktoo or Kazakhstan, the fact remains that you were tactically naive.

[Mailman]

Mate, the only thing poached around here is the peanut you call a brain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVQSh...eature=related

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[sasguru]

Mate, the only thing poached around here is the peanut you call a brain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVQSh...eature=related

Mailman

Henry said: "I have applied for the All Blacks coaching position because I believe I can add further value"

http://ukpress.google.com/article/AL...YiXz424flqI0Fg



You guys are a joke. That's like Mclaren re-applying for his post



That's made my day. Thanks Kiwi clowns.

[Mailman]

whilst I will accept the legitimacy of collins, rokokoko et al who were new Zealanders Before they became identified as very good rugby players, the likes of Sivivatu were clearly coerced at an age when they would have been recognised as stars of the future.

What do you mean by coerced? Do you mean he was forced here? He was given no other option BUT to come to NZ? Was he given an offer he couldnt refuse because some neferious evil bastards threatened to pull up his family's taro plantation?

Or by coerced do you mean his family was given an opportunity to achieve something they could never have done in their impoverished little stoneage village in the islands?

And when you mean clearly, what are you basing this on? Something your beloved Englishman Stephane Jones told you?

It may indeed be that by and large the All Blacks are made up of bona fide new Zealanders whether they be born in NZ, samoa, Timbuktu or manchester, but the point being made is do NZ poach players at a young age and coerce them into becoming all blacks?

Again, what do you mean by coerce?

Is some big evil bastard in black going out there and giving the family of these three year olds no other options but to move to NZ and forcing their children to play rugger?

If Sivivatu is the only one then you are right about Stephen Jones. If it is endemic within the All Blacks then he has a point.

Stephan Jones is about as clued up on rugby as you are. I remember watching this bastard just after rugby turned professional and the chip on his shoulder was about the size of the grand canyon. Its almost as if someone dressed in black had bent him over an apple cart down some dark country road one saturday night, such is his hatred for everything that is connected with the All Blacks (honestly, who will ever forget his accusation that SH rugger is made up of cream puffs ).

We are all mostly immigrants at some stage, and the likes of Pietersen, Stephens may not have the Nationalist legitimacy of say Will greenwood, but the line needs to be drawn somewhere.

Yeah, cause clearly Pieterson was COERCED in to playing cricket for England! The evil bastards!

But coercing and poaching young players from other countries (and Sivivatu is a prime example)

Evidence please...otherwise you are talking out the hole in your head, which is really just your

the problem you kiwis have Tay is that you will not accept any criticism of your precious rugby team from anyone outside NZ. You kiwis need to take a leaf out of the aussie book and show a little self effacement.. pommie or aussie style!

Some of the sh1t you have posted isnt anywhere near being criticism. The rubbish you post is pure spite, bollocks and ignorance. I recognise it because guru has made bollocks talking an artform!

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[Mailman]

Henry said: "I have applied for the All Blacks coaching position because I believe I can add further value"

http://ukpress.google.com/article/AL...YiXz424flqI0Fg



You guys are a joke. That's like Mclaren re-applying for his post



That's made my day. Thanks Kiwi clowns.

When Mclaren goes through three years as the coach of England only loosing two games, then you may have a point

Actually, the only way England will ever go through three years and only loose two games is if they only ever play two games in three years!

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[Mailman]

http://redterror.blogspot.com/2007/0...whingeing.html

A final point:

There is a trend in British print journalism that says when a white Canadian soccer player like Owen Hargreaves – who never lived, worked or played a single game of football in his entire life in the United Kingdom – is signed by manager Sven Goran Eriksson to represent England, that somehow Hargreaves is simply exercising his free will. But when dark-skinned Pacific Islanders immigrate to New Zealand with their families as young schoolboys – or heaven forbid, are actually born in New Zealand hospitals – that somehow these immigrants-or-natives are stolen by the NZRU against their will. This is not only willful deception; it is a reprehensible double-standard. I'll leave it to others to decide for themselves the underlying ideology behind this double-standard.

Actually, maybe I got it wrong.

Maybe its not a hatred of kiwi rugby BUT, gasps, racism that drives the ignorance we see in the british media and then spewed forth time and time again by the likes of guru and Dumb ?

Racialists!

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