Was Enoch Powell right?

[sasguru]

The past and the present are the only FACTS we have - a possible "other" future is one which is up for debate.

I for one believe that the UK / GB "could" have been a better place to live without the high volume of immigaration that we have seen INTO this country which has also resulted in a volume of MIGRATION from our country.

You believe other wise, but then at least we're still a democracy so we can both hold and make known these views.

I agree that immigration is too high and not selective enough.
Given that the NHS would collapse without immigration (a third of NHS workers are foreign born, including many of the doctors), it is clearly necessary to some extent.

[DimPrawn]

You are aware that the pop of Norway is only about 4.5 million, aren't you? Or half the size of Greater London.
Your chose your name with care I see.

In that case, how does increasing our population by 10% through immigration make us "richer" as a nation, when a small population leads to greater wealth of the people?

If more is better, why don't we expand London to cover the whole UK?

You just don't see it do you?

Fewer, better educated population is the way foreward. Less is more when it comes to quality of life on a small island.

[DodgyAgent]

No, to question immigration is to be a racist. Ask Sandy.

How do you feel about EU workers being able to move freely within the EU?

[Bluebird]

No, to question immigration is to be a racist. Ask Sandy.

Not according to the UN legal definition.

[sasguru]

Fewer, better educated population is the way foreward. .

I couldn't agree more. Now why don't you persuade your local chavs to do a degree in nuclear physics? Or failing that just to stay in school to get a couple of GCSEs. Good luck

[DimPrawn]

How do you feel about EU workers being able to move freely within the EU?

It doesn't make sense if some states have free services to all and others don't.

If your house was offering free accomodation, food and drink and the neighbours does not, which one are you going to "squat" in?

[DodgyAgent]

It doesn't make sense if some states have free services to all and others don't.

If your house was offering free accomodation, food and drink and the neighbours does not, which one are you going to "squat" in?

You are never going to level the playing field, but if you are a country/place competing for investment and wishing to attract the best skills then nor is it desirable to have a level playing field.

So what's your answer to my question then DP?

[Bluebird]

I agree that immigration is too high and not selective enough.
Given that the NHS would collapse without immigration (a third of NHS workers are foreign born, including many of the doctors), it is clearly necessary to some extent.

I agree on your first point, selection is the key, although just as important are the rules, regulations etc regarding dependants.

It always amazes me that the rich loser who gets a wife in BKK is less likely to her into the UK, than the 56 dependants of an indian Doctor.

[DimPrawn]

You are never going to level the playing field, but if you are a country/place competing for investment and wishing to attract the best skills then nor is it desirable to have a level playing field.

So what's your answer to my question then DP?

The answer is no. "free" movement is bad.

Like all immigration, checks to ensure only the very best are allowed in. Same should apply to all EU. The dross can stay where they are.

[sasguru]

It always amazes me that the rich loser who gets a wife in BKK is less likely to her into the UK, than the 56 dependants of an indian Doctor.

Why would an Indian doctor have 56 dependents?