Originally posted by Old Greg
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OK, tell me (or any other CC member) what you don't like and welll find out if it can be changed. No point muttering on here about things that are wrong over there. PM if you prefer it...Blog? What blog...?
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Malvolio, by arguing the toss with these guys you are pandering to the control freak criticism that is flying around. Why dont you just say"If you can buy cheaper elsewhere then feck off and do so, in the meantime I will urge the PCG to look at other insurance products, and BTW can you give me the details of this insurance that is cheaper than ours?"Originally posted by malvolio
Or just say "If you are not happy, write to the PCG and explain why and we will do our best to address your concerns" . You will probably find that they are just being argumentative in order to wind you up. If they then do not write then you are back on the moral high ground.
That would show humility
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I would like it clear (before you hand over money) exactly what discounts (e.g. employers' / liability insurance) are available to members.Originally posted by malvolioComment
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Maybe it'd be worth having a forum on the PCG boards non-members can access to ask questions like the ones that pop up from time to time.
Seems a bit odd to have to go to another board to get information.Comment
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What, like this (slightly censored) bit on the website you mean...Originally posted by Old Greg
It's all there, along with a dozen or so other similar links, but if you can't be arsed to go look...The cover starts at £100,000 plus a shared layer of £1m for PI and includes Employers' Liability of £10,000,000 and Public Liability of £1,000,000. Premiums vary with turnover and start at £xxx (+ 5% IPT) for those in IT with turnover below £100,000 a year, while Premiums for Engineers and other non-IT contractors are higher and are based on personal quotes.Blog? What blog...?Comment
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That keeps coming up as an idea, and might well get incorporated when the update to the forum software comes in (the security regime on the current knackered old system doesn't allow it to be done safely). Personally I think it would be a good way in for non-members to see what we're really all about.Originally posted by EpiphoneBlog? What blog...?Comment
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So, how many new members has this stunt of yours attracted then?Originally posted by malvolioComment
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I think your attitude really sums up what I was trying to say about the PCG not being very nice. All those insults and then you censor the most important part of your quote. Maybe you should change the name too, if you are "professional contractors" why do your companies have such a low turnover?Originally posted by malvolioComment
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well, i did go and have another look or two.
but i remain distinctly underwhelmed by the whole thing. it is not blindingly obvious that i should join.
i'll take a risk with jury service. wouldn't mind a break anyway. i expect periods of inactivity - that's why i my company has reserves. the fringe benefits of documents and help and advice are yawn inspiring.
as others have mentioned the real turnoff is the fact that access to the competitive insurance (which might actually save my business some money and therefore be a blindingly obvious benefit) requires me to hand over 220 quid a year before i can see what my premiums will be. and since i am confident that the premiums plus membership fee will not save me any money why should i join?
the website and language used therein are do not endear me to the purpose of the group. too many of the t&c's contain clauses that can significantly reduce the benefits and i find the whole thing activates my intuition sensors. my intuition for pcg is "no".Comment
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None. That wasn't the intention. I'm merely trying to find out why people don't join so we can do something about it. If I can summarise the first day's inputs...Originally posted by Churchill
So far, we've got poor communication of benefits, difficulty understanding how much you can actually save through membership discounts, difficult to read website, cheaper insurance available elsewhere, a lack of confidence that the PCG is actually driving any kind of agenda for change that will benefit contractors in general, a pile of elitist attitude issues and assorted historical concerns about things that happened between two and six years ago that have actually been resolved. Worryingly half of those problems are being reported by existing members. Have I missed any?
On Saturday, as part of my unpaid 14 hour day attending the CC meeting, I'll be leading a SIG focused on driving up membership, whch is why I want to understand what people see as the barriers. Rest assured all the comments made in this thread will be taken on board.
And apologies for being my usual rude and assertive self, but just for once that was intentional...
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