British Jews

[Burdock]

If only King Saul had wiped out the Amalekites as he had told to do.....

I never did trust those Amalekites

[Old Greg]

I am not confused at all, I never suggested that you were against the Jewish people at all. Of course a central tenet to anti Israelism (or zionism) is that they illegally occupy their own country. Well I am interested in how you set their right to their nation apart from every other countries (including our own) right to their nation.

Well when you posted:

'I am merely suggesting that your Causus Deliesque "anti zionism" may be driven by guilt rather than as an objective view of a particular religion("oh and I am anti zionist by the way so I am one of you").

I like to think that I am like you in that I will judge a religion on how it is interpreted by individuals'

it sounded like you were confusing my position re Israel with a position re the Jewish religion - hence my suggestion that you were confused, Glad to hear you're not!

I don't believe that a right to a nation in a particular piece of land (promised by a tribal God thousands of years ago) can be exercised at the expense of those already there. What if every ethnic/religious group without a nation decides they want one too. Now Israel is there, I'm not suggesting that Israelis are evicted, but the people they have supplanted and occupied cannot be left in this state.

[Chico]

I don't believe that a right to a nation in a particular piece of land (promised by a tribal God thousands of years ago) can be exercised at the expense of those already there. What if every ethnic/religious group without a nation decides they want one too. Now Israel is there, I'm not suggesting that Israelis are evicted, but the people they have supplanted and occupied cannot be left in this state.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

God can give any land to whom he so ever chooses.

[Numptycorner]

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

God can give any land to whom he so ever chooses.

God gave your land to me, now get orf my land!

[DodgyAgent]

Well when you posted:

'I am merely suggesting that your Causus Deliesque "anti zionism" may be driven by guilt rather than as an objective view of a particular religion("oh and I am anti zionist by the way so I am one of you").

I like to think that I am like you in that I will judge a religion on how it is interpreted by individuals'

it sounded like you were confusing my position re Israel with a position re the Jewish religion - hence my suggestion that you were confused, Glad to hear you're not!

I don't believe that a right to a nation in a particular piece of land (promised by a tribal God thousands of years ago) can be exercised at the expense of those already there. What if every ethnic/religious group without a nation decides they want one too. Now Israel is there, I'm not suggesting that Israelis are evicted, but the people they have supplanted and occupied cannot be left in this state.

The problem is that one group of people are prepared to compromise and the other side are not. In Israel there is a fully accountable representative of the people whereas in Palestine there is'nt. The West would like to see a compromise take place whereby the Palestinians and the Israelis can live peacefully together whereas the rest of the middle eastern countries (which are not representative of their people) do not want a peaceful resolution at all.

It seems to me that Israel is not therefore the problem, nor does Israel have any vested interest in not trying to pursue peace with her neighbours. What the governments of surrounding countries hate is the fact that women enjoy equal status to men in Israel and that their democracy has enabled their economy to enrich the lives of their people way beyond the affluence of the people in neighbouring countries.

[Causus Deli]

It was this 'rein them in' attitude that sparked the riots in the 1st place. The area was a ghetto, with police systematically harassing north african youths ending with a group of boys getting killed (although not directly at the hands of the police). This was tha catalyst that set it off.

It was not an Islamic issue although a number of north africans in the area are muslim. It was about persecution of people living in a hell hole.

Did you overlook the burning of synagogues and the well documented raping of their own women if they do not conform? You appear to excuse p1ss poor behaviour easily. This has been going on longer than the riots.

[Pondlife]

Did you overlook the burning of synagogues and the well documented raping of their own women if they do not conform? You appear to excuse p1ss poor behaviour easily. This has been going on longer than the riots.

You used the Paris riots as the justification for 'reining them in'. I pointed out that this was not a purely Islamic issue. IIRC correctly weren't mosques burned down in the subsequent riots? I don't recall the raping of non conforming muslim women as being one of the major factors of the Paris riots - or did I miss that bit?

[DodgyAgent]

The Paris riots are borne out of frustration that life has little to offer for so many of the unemployed. This will leave a vacuum which the religious fanatics or other extremist groups will explouit.

[Mailman]

The Paris riots are borne out of frustration that life has little to offer for so many of the unemployed. This will leave a vacuum which the religious fanatics or other extremist groups will explouit.

A large number of those youths who were burning cars are basically unemployable.

Mailman

[Causus Deli]

You used the Paris riots as the justification for 'reining them in'. I pointed out that this was not a purely Islamic issue. IIRC correctly weren't mosques burned down in the subsequent riots? I don't recall the raping of non conforming muslim women as being one of the major factors of the Paris riots - or did I miss that bit?

No I didn't here it is.

Paris type religious cleansing awaits the Jews if they do not make a fuss.

Where's the riot in that? I was referring to the burning of Jewish holy places and the driving out of the Jews from these and other areas. This was ongoing well before the riots. I don't care what caused it or the riots there is no excuse for the way it is, can they not return to their north African utopia if they aren't happy?