British Jews

[Diver]

Sorry Xog, think you have got this all wrong.

The two can be mutually exclusive and it's an easy (and weak) argument to say someone who is anti-Zionist is a Semite.

Further, I would imagine the same argument would hold true of many Israeli's
i.e. a deep seated hate of Palestinians but, as far as I am aware, there is no similar term as anti-semitism that is available for them to use.

Anti terrorist?

[snaw]

The word "Jew" has become widely used to denote simultaneously a universal faith and a particular nationality, Anti-Zionism should not be equated with anti-Semitism, the racist ideology directed against Jews as Jews, majority of Semites are Arabs, converts to Judaism, mostly the Khazars.

Funny, you say that like it's your opinion but that quote gets a million hits when I search for it, word for word ...

[Diver]

Funny, you say that like it's your opinion but that quote gets a million hits when I search for it, word for word ...

That is because it is The classic definition.
I am extremely surprised that you did not hit on it prior to starting the debate.

Did you think that I had authored the definition for Zion too.

come on, get real

[Clippy]

Anti terrorist?

Very original - did you Google that too?

[Diver]

Very original - did you Google that too?

Nope!

That was all my own work, and it works for me

[Causus Deli]

All is clear

Oh dear, Littlejohn making much of far right stuff when the answer is staring us right in the face. Jews and Muslims will never live together, nothing to do with BNP. Muslims backed by far left loonies (Scottish Georges tonight) making trouble for peoples they can’t even distinguish between; Jews, Israelis and orthodoxy’s. I wonder if I and my right wing friends were thought of when the fence was erected around the Manchester school or was it the sort of projectiles being fired from Gaza into Israeli villages they were more feared of.

Paris type religious cleansing awaits the Jews if they do not make a fuss.

I’m sick and tired of lily livered softies making excuses for nut jobs whose agenda is pretty clear. Viz; Bollox to England we hate each other so much we will die, victoriously, gloriously and our pure women wait in their scores (3.5 approx) when we learn to ignite things properly. And unenlightened apologists everywhere will allow it in our country. HUG A TERRORIST.

[Causus Deli]

Wow he could buy Mein Kampf in Squiggle at the local Pakistani shop, I bought it from Smiths in Gods language.

[The Lone Gunman]

Too subtle for you?

The clue was dead centre!

There are over 70 translations of the Quran/Ku'ran.

You cannot quote from it without specifying which translation.

What a Muslim child is taught, may not be from the same Quran or even a translated and published version.

Therein lies the conundrum.

That section is taken from M.H. Shakir and published by Tahrike Tarsile Qur'an, Inc., in 1983. I use it because it is easily accessible on line. It is searchable. There is also a version by Rodwell in chronological order that is quite interesting.

That chapter says that Muslims can live in peace with those with whom they have an accord. It does except Christians in this, though other chapters make peace with Christians.
It is the translation that bothers me. I have considered 3 or 4 different versions though all are about the same, but I am never sure that they are accurate translations. I suspect there are more radical versions, but have never seen one.
It is also the order of the verse. The later Surah take precedence over the earlier ones. The early ones say kill em all, then later ones say dont kill the children of the book then later still it says kill some of them (or not). Funny how it changes according to Mohammeds (pbuh) situation at the time.

It is my understanding from reading the Koran that it does not out and out say "kill all unbelievers". It says live in peace with them when you have an agreement. Live in peace with them when you are under their protection.
It only says "kill them where you find them" when the unbelievers have attacked you or have broken an agreement with you.

It is a difficult subject, and I would not claim to be a scholar or have a deep understanding though I will express my opinion.
I do know that what you are doing is scurilous. You may be right, you are not far off my beliefs, but you are presenting a particular sub set of the Koran which may be misleading.

Thanks for the link BTW. That will take me a while to hack through.

[Moscow Mule]

Too subtle for you?

The clue was dead centre!

There are over 70 translations of the Quran/Ku'ran.

You cannot quote from it without specifying which translation.

What a Muslim child is taught, may not be from the same Quran or even a translated and published version.

Therein lies the conundrum.

A Muslim child is taught, that to truly understand Islam, you have to read the Quran in it's Arabic form.

[Diver]

I do know that what you are doing is scurilous. You may be right, you are not far off my beliefs, but you are presenting a particular sub set of the Koran which may be misleading.

Thanks for the link BTW. That will take me a while to hack through.

My intention was not to mislead but to help promote understanding of a subject that has graced this site with monotonous regularity.
I did not present a particular subset of the Ku'ran. I showed that there are multiple translations of the book after priming the thread.
Believe me, there are far more radical versions out there that would make you cringe.
versions that instruct the faithful to kill all unbelievers whrever you shall find them etc.
I did not post these because they are at the far end of the spectrum, as yours is at the other.
what I set out to do, I think that you will agree I accomplished.
I made you look. and I opened your eyes to a fact that you and many other people are ignorant of.
There is No such thing as THE Quran/Ku'ran
As for followers of Islam! - Which Islam?