Glasgow Bombers...

[SallyAnne]

A Muslim is judged not by faith but by works, in observing the Five Pillars of Islamic practice, as well as avoiding the major and minor sins.

If a Muslim asks for forgiveness it will be given as Allah is merciful. However, Allah will still judge you by your actions and decide your eternal fate.

Allah sounds like a right tit if you ask me.

Complete superiority complex.

Probably a DBA

[Moscow Mule]

Why is this racist, he is entitled to his views however foolish some people think they are? I see no need for discussion apart from why have estimates changed so much, even in the last few years?

Holocaust denial (or revisionism if you will) not is necessarily racist however Griffin is a very dangerous man. Well-educated, very knowledgeable and a fluent public speaker. Not hard to see how those in society who are both ill-educated and hold a grievance against the world (unemployment. low wages, bad housing etc) are impressed by him and easily indoctrinated into the ideals of his party, believing they are "sticking up for their rights" rather than sowing the seeds for racial cleansing.

Some Griffin Quotes:
“It's part of their plan for conquering countries. It's how they do it.”

“When we say that Islam and our values, western democracy, are incompatible that is not to say that Muslims are bad.”

On
"A dog born in a stable does not make it a horse."
Griffin said "I’d agree with that. Its not racism.’ Having a British passport does not make you British."

On Nick Griffin's quote that 'if something radical is done, we will have race riots.

Brett Ellis- What do you mean by radical?

‘This is Britain; our fundamental native values will prevail. With Islamic extremism, we will end up with a civil war. We need to kick out Muslim extremists, and ensure Muslims are pushed to make their religion fit our way of life. I don’t have the answers. I’m not sure quite how we will do this.’

[Moscow Mule]

Allah sounds like a right tit if you ask me.

Complete superiority complex.

Probably a DBA

If you ever convert, you're going to hell

[SallyAnne]

If you ever convert, you're going to hell

Yes, my name is probably on the list of pretty much all the hell's now

[Old Greg]

Why is this racist, he is entitled to his views however foolish some people think they are? I see no need for discussion apart from why have estimates changed so much, even in the last few years?

It is racist because he seeks to deny against all historical evidence that Hitler tried to exterminate the Jews. Why else would anyone say that - particularly someone who has form on anti-semitism (it's that context and analysis thing again). If anyone has a different theory for why he said it, then please share. Pasted from wikipedia again - if anyone wants to claim that any of it is untrue, go ahead.

He is entitled to foolis views, but his entitlement has nothing to do with whether or not they are racist.

Estimates will continue to change because if a dictator in wartime in occupied countries seeks to industrially slaughter as many Jews as possible, it's going to be tricky putting an exact number on it. Griffin denies it happened.

[Old Greg]

Holocaust denial (or revisionism if you will) not is necessarily racist however Griffin is a very dangerous man. Well-educated, very knowledgeable and a fluent public speaker. Not hard to see how those in society who are both ill-educated and hold a grievance against the world (unemployment. low wages, bad housing etc) are impressed by him and easily indoctrinated into the ideals of his party, believing they are "sticking up for their rights" rather than sowing the seeds for racial cleansing.

Some Griffin Quotes:
“It's part of their plan for conquering countries. It's how they do it.”

“When we say that Islam and our values, western democracy, are incompatible that is not to say that Muslims are bad.”

On
"A dog born in a stable does not make it a horse."
Griffin said "I’d agree with that. Its not racism.’ Having a British passport does not make you British."

On Nick Griffin's quote that 'if something radical is done, we will have race riots.

Brett Ellis- What do you mean by radical?

‘This is Britain; our fundamental native values will prevail. With Islamic extremism, we will end up with a civil war. We need to kick out Muslim extremists, and ensure Muslims are pushed to make their religion fit our way of life. I don’t have the answers. I’m not sure quite how we will do this.’

Here's another beauty from Griffin on Islam (apologies as I've posted this before)

We bang on about Islam. Why? Because to the ordinary public out there it's the thing they can understand. It's the thing the newspaper editors sell newspapers with. If we were to attack some other ethnic group — some people say we should attack the Jews ... But ... we've got to get to power. And if that was an issue we chose to bang on about when the press don't talk about it ... the public would just think we were barking mad. They'd just think oh, you're attacking Jews just because you want to attack Jews. You're attacking this group of powerful Zionists just because you want to take poor Manny Cohen the tailor and shove him in a gas chamber. That's what the public would think. It wouldn't get us anywhere other than stepping backwards. It would lock us in a little box; the public would think "extremist crank lunatics, nothing to do with me." And we wouldn't get power.

Anyone to defend that one?

[Old Greg]

Yes, my name is probably on the list of pretty much all the hell's now

You get to be one of the 72 virgins.

[SallyAnne]

You get to be one of the 72 virgins.

Oooh - do Muslims have time travelling hells like?!

[Old Greg]

Oooh - do Muslims have time travelling hells like?!

But you're an unmarried lady!

[sasguru]

Oooh - do Muslims have time travelling hells like?!

No but allah has some really good reconstructive surgeons, apparently.