Britain's most dangerous roads

[Maxamus]

im sure i was involved in the design of a few of those roads

[Troll]

Motorway driving needs to be part of the test.

If drivers remembered or even knew the following there would be far fewer accidents.

1/ At the end of the slip road you are supposed to give way, not the other way around

2/ The middle lane is for overtaking, the outside lane overtaking only, move to the left when safe to do so

3/ Keep a 2 second gap

4/ Don't tailgate lorries and pull out infront of faster moving traffic


Simple, but all are frequently ignored

All of the above but 1:

When joining on a motorway slip road, match your speed to the traffic in the inside lane, really peeves me off the amount of people who get to the junction 10-15mph slower than the lorries

[spiderlover]

ADI is for smug self satisfied pretentious ******* who then take great pleasure in parading the little tin badge on their car grille.

The driving test never states that by possession you are a good driver; erely a competent driver....the rest comes with experience

I really have to take issue with this:

There may be an element of smug gits who feel that AIM (sorry had to correct you there) is badge of honour - I personally don't carry a badge but I do feel smug that I am a thousand times less likely to be involved in an accident. I make good progress point to point on the public roads but I know I can always stop in the distance I can see is clear - this is the ethos of ADI and should be the same for all drivers but rarely is!

You do reflect my original point though - driving is much more about experience than taking a test.

Something interesting coming out of all these posts - many posters talk about neutral handling, tail happy cars etc. etc. If you drive properly you can make good progress and never, ever be in a situation where you have to worry about skids, understeer, oversteer etc. Leave that for the track! If you want lessons though, I can charge a reasonable rate.

Someone also mentioned that steering into a skid can make it worse - how the hell can that happen? Either steer into a skid or overcorrect with opposite lock and make it worse. There are only two options and I know which one I choose and teach....unless you're a drifiting champion, always steer into a skid to correct it. Or better still, don't get into a skid in the first place

[spiderlover]

Just realised I might have added to the confusion

ADI = Approved Driving Instructor
IAM = Institute of Advanced Motorists

[VectraMan]

1/ At the end of the slip road you are supposed to give way, not the other way around

There's nothing more dangerous than people who stop at the end of slip roads. The people on the motorway need to make room.

2/ The middle lane is for overtaking, the outside lane overtaking only, move to the left when safe to do so

3/ Keep a 2 second gap

I have to admit to driving too close a lot of the time, but it's at least in part because of 2. If you don't close right up, nobody will ever move out of the way ever.

[Troll]

I really have to take issue with this:

There may be an element of smug gits who feel that AIM (sorry had to correct you there) is badge of honour - I personally don't carry a badge but I do feel smug that I am a thousand times less likely to be involved in an accident. I make good progress point to point on the public roads but I know I can always stop in the distance I can see is clear - this is the ethos of ADI and should be the same for all drivers but rarely is!

You do reflect my original point though - driving is much more about experience than taking a test.

Something interesting coming out of all these posts - many posters talk about neutral handling, tail happy cars etc. etc. If you drive properly you can make good progress and never, ever be in a situation where you have to worry about skids, understeer, oversteer etc. Leave that for the track! If you want lessons though, I can charge a reasonable rate.

Someone also mentioned that steering into a skid can make it worse - how the hell can that happen? Either steer into a skid or overcorrect with opposite lock and make it worse. There are only two options and I know which one I choose and teach....unless you're a drifiting champion, always steer into a skid to correct it. Or better still, don't get into a skid in the first place

It's no fun unless you respond with an incandescent rant... reasoned & rational argument has no place on this board HTH

[spiderlover]

[shoes]

much like motorway middle lane hoggers.

Im a middle lane hogger! But I have my reasons. In my experience most sections of motorway have 'tram lines' along the left hand lane where heavy lorries have caused indentations over time. Driving along these can have my car jumping in and out of these grooves, it's far safer to stay in the next lane when it isn't busy.

What IS dangerous are the self righteous mindless rule followers who notice me in the middle lane and think its clever to cut right across the front of my car presumably in an attempt to show me the error of my ways.

I think they are saying 'What you're doing is dangerous and to demonstrate this I am going to swerve across all 3 lanes twice and nearly collide with you instead of just sensibly undertaking you'. Im always impressed.

[VectraMan]

I make good progress point to point on the public roads

I love the term "good progress". The rest of us drive dangerously fast, but the police and advanced motorists "make good progress".

Something interesting coming out of all these posts - many posters talk about neutral handling, tail happy cars etc. etc. If you drive properly you can make good progress and never, ever be in a situation where you have to worry about skids, understeer, oversteer etc.

Yes, but then if you don't know about this stuff you'll have no idea what to do if it does happen. Which applies to 99% of drivers. The track, or airfield training is the best place, but still if you push a little bit on the roads you get a feel for it.

Someone also mentioned that steering into a skid can make it worse - how the hell can that happen? Either steer into a skid or overcorrect with opposite lock and make it worse. There are only two options and I know which one I choose and teach....unless you're a drifiting champion, always steer into a skid to correct it. Or better still, don't get into a skid in the first place

There's an argument for not steering into a skid, as if you don't you'll probably do a neat 180, whereas if you do, catch it then get flung round in the opposite direction it'll tend to throw you off the road. I did it on track, before I took some lessons and got better.

You shouldn't need to steer into a skid anyway. Not because you're going slowly and sensibly, but because steering into it implies you've had to react and if you do everything smoothly and progressivly and anticipate the results you'll never get to that point. I'm sure you'd agree.

[The Lone Gunman]

Im a middle lane hogger! But I have my reasons. In my experience most sections of motorway have 'tram lines' along the left hand lane where heavy lorries have caused indentations over time. Driving along these can have my car jumping in and out of these grooves, it's far safer to stay in the next lane when it isn't busy.

What IS dangerous are the self righteous mindless rule followers who notice me in the middle lane and think its clever to cut right across the front of my car presumably in an attempt to show me the error of my ways.

I think they are saying 'What you're doing is dangerous and to demonstrate this I am going to swerve across all 3 lanes twice and nearly collide with you instead of just sensibly undertaking you'. Im always impressed.

Trade your driving licence in for a bus pass and leave the roads to the grown ups. HTH.