Scotland's Independence (make it happen)

[wendigo100]

I'm on the same boat as wendigo100. I'm not so sure how much I care for imaginary lines that divide this land into three.

That's not to say I'm against Scotland and Wales being separate countries. It makes the world more interesting.

[AlfredJPruffock]

The reason Scots know the oil belongs to them goes back to when the Norwegian king gave us the north isles where most of the oil lies, so it was a treaty between the King of Norway and a present to the Folks of Scotland, in the union the lords sold of our sovereign lands for lands in England.

If my recollection is correct - when I lived in Shetland I learned that the Shetland Islands which previously belonged to Norway - were given to Scotland when the Princess of Norway married the Prince of Scotland (sorry cant recollect the dates but before the Union of the Crowns) as part of a marraige dowry.

For their part Scotland was supposed to pay a fixed sum of money to Norway every year- but they never did this - and then back in 1905ish Norway tried to claim the Shetlands back as they had the legal right to do so due to the Scots failure to honour the deal.



If Scotland does go for independence - Shetland could again forge a union with Norway - the Shetlanders all have Norwegian ancestry and consider themselves Norwegian.

And the Oil Fields would go back to Norway.

Remember you read it here first.

[threaded]

The reason Scots know the oil belongs to them goes back to when the Norwegian king gave us the north isles where most of the oil lies, so it was a treaty between the King of Norway and a present to the Folks of Scotland, in the union the lords sold of our sovereign lands for lands in England.

If my recollection is correct - when I lived in Shetland I learned that the Shetland Islands which previously belonged to Norway - were given to Scotland when the Princess of Norway married the Prince of Scotland (sorry cant recollect the dates but before the Union of the Crowns) as part of a marraige dowry.

For their part Scotland was supposed to pay a fixed sum of money to Norway every year- but they never did this - and then back in 1905ish Norway tried to claim the Shetlands back as they had the legal right to do so due to the Scots failure to honour the deal.



If Scotland does go for independence - Shetland could again forge a union with Norway - the Shetlanders all have Norwegian ancestry and consider themselves Norwegian.

And the Oil Fields would go back to Norway.

Remember you read it here first.

My point, as well.

[Euro-commuter]

E F Schumacher, in Small Is Beautiful, suggested that if either of Germany's serious attempts to incorporate Denmark had succeeded, we would now be saying that Danish Independence was a ridiculous idea, Denmark wasn't big enough to stand on its own economically, and it was dependent on subsidies from Germany.

Correct me if I'm wrong Threaded, but I have the impression that the Danes don't really regret not being taken over by their larger neighbour to the south?


Schumacher also pointed out that larger countries usually claim to subsidise their smaller possessions, whereas in reality they usually exploit them. Not necessarily explicitly, or even intentionally (in all these years that I have often heard English people claim to subsidise Scotland, I haven't missed the interesting fact that ordinary English people genuinely believed that they did, and were quite prepared to do so) ; but it is in the nature of the relationship that this happens.

[threaded]

Well, the Danes have had at least one vote on it, rather a lot like Ireland did, and in the last one the bits to the south of Jutland said they wanted to be part of Germany, and the bits to the north not.

One must remember that Denmark used to be a much larger country than it is now, so a 'small' Denmark is only a relatively modern occurrence.

[Euro-commuter]

Well, the Danes have had at least one vote on it, rather a lot like Ireland did, and in the last one the bits to the south of Jutland said they wanted to be part of Germany, and the bits to the north not.

One must remember that Denmark used to be a much larger country than it is now, so a 'small' Denmark is only a relatively modern occurrence.

Yes, didn't they too have an attempt at colonising a swamp in Central America?

[OwlHoot]

E F Schumacher, in Small Is Beautiful, suggested that if either of Germany's serious attempts to incorporate Denmark had succeeded, we would now be saying that Danish Independence was a ridiculous idea, Denmark wasn't big enough to stand on its own economically, and it was dependent on subsidies from Germany.

Sounds like we're drifting onto the Schleswig-Holstein Question.

"Only three people understood the Schleswig-Holstein Question. The first was Albert, the Prince consort and he is dead; the second is a German professor, and he is in an asylum: and the third was myself - and I have forgotten it."
- Lord Palmerston

[Frus88ed]

About shetlands

Alfred,

The Treaty of Perth ended military conflict between Norway under Magnus the Law-mender and Scotland under Alexander III over the sovereignty of the Hebrides, the Isle of Man and Caithness.

No doubt about who owns it.

[threaded]

Alfred,

The Treaty of Perth ended military conflict between Norway under Magnus the Law-mender and Scotland under Alexander III over the sovereignty of the Hebrides, the Isle of Man and Caithness.

No doubt about who owns it.

Yes there is, as it never passed through the correct channels in Norway, so was never ratified by them.

[threaded]

Alfred,

The Treaty of Perth ended military conflict between Norway under Magnus the Law-mender and Scotland under Alexander III over the sovereignty of the Hebrides, the Isle of Man and Caithness.

No doubt about who owns it.

Oh, and the Scots didn't keep to their side of the agreement either: the payment (but maybe the Scots have forgotten about that as well).