Scotland's Independence (make it happen)

**threaded** · 27 April 2007, 07:01

ROFL linq

**Euro-commuter** · 27 April 2007, 07:28

Originally posted by Troll

Personally I think an annual saving of £19 Billion is a price worth paying to be shot of the lot of them.

What are the panels view?

That an annual cost of £19 Billion is pretty cheap, as prices for freedom come.

Let us run our own country and pay our own way. And be friends with our neighbours if they will be, but be neither beholden to them nor taxed by them.

**Troll** · 27 April 2007, 07:49

Originally posted by Euro-commuter

That an annual cost of £19 Billion is pretty cheap, as prices for freedom come.

Let us run our own country and pay our own way. And be friends with our neighbours if they will be, but be neither beholden to them nor taxed by them.

"Freedom" suggests you are currently enslaved - I thought the Act of Union was entered into freely by both parties

**threaded** · 27 April 2007, 07:53

Originally posted by Troll

"Freedom" suggests you are currently enslaved - I thought the Act of Union was entered into freely by both parties

Not really, the Scots were all starving to death and would have signed anything. The English always have been way too nice.

**Troll** · 27 April 2007, 08:00

Originally posted by threaded

Not really, the Scots were all starving to death and would have signed anything. The English always have been way too nice.

I take it we (the English) were somehow responsible for their plight – same as the Irish Potato famine- has Blair apologised for this yet?

**threaded** · 27 April 2007, 08:04

Originally posted by Troll

I take it we (the English) were somehow responsible for their plight – same as the Irish Potato famine- has Blair apologised for this yet?

No, it was entirely of their own making. They gave most of their money to the French, Irish, Spanish, and then what little they had left was bizarrely dumped somewhere in a swamp in the middle of the Americas. The French, Irish and Spanish were noticeable by their absence in helping the Scots out of the ensuing disaster.

**Euro-commuter** · 27 April 2007, 08:34

Originally posted by Troll

"Freedom" suggests you are currently enslaved - I thought the Act of Union was entered into freely by both parties

Apologies, I for one do not mean to say that. I mean freedom to run our country our way, not "freedom from...".

Nevertheless, I think it would be a justifiable tone to adopt, in response to "shot of them".

**Euro-commuter** · 27 April 2007, 08:41

Originally posted by Troll

I take it we (the English) were somehow responsible for their plight – same as the Irish Potato famine- has Blair apologised for this yet?

Yes, actually, they were, unlike the Irish potato famine. Or rather, they employed any required methods to compel union; not perhaps because they wanted to take over Scotland but just because they wanted protection from pestering neighbours while they got on with the real empire-building.

Scotland was forced into it; on the other hand, I can't help noticing that the removal of power from Edinburgh was followed by a creative and inventive renaissance in Scotland. England did nothing for Scotland, but getting the government off the people's backs and far away, did nothing but good.

**threaded** · 27 April 2007, 08:46

Originally posted by Euro-commuter

Yes, actually, they were, unlike the Irish potato famine. Or rather, they employed any required methods to compel union; not perhaps because they wanted to take over Scotland but just because they wanted protection from pestering neighbours while they got on with the real empire-building.

Scotland was forced into it; on the other hand, I can't help noticing that the removal of power from Edinburgh was followed by a creative and inventive renaissance in Scotland. England did nothing for Scotland, but getting the government off the people's backs and far away, did nothing but good.

Cobblers, have you read the Treaty of Union? 25 points, 15 of which are "can we have food", and the other 10 say "please".

Scotland's Independence (make it happen)