Sensible attitude to drug?

[freakydancer]

Wrong. They **** up your neuron transmitters.

Gives you a hell of a buzz though.

Or so I've been told.

[SallyAnne]

Wrong. They **** up your neuron transmitters.

Eh? What? We're not robots!!!

Look baggy, have you ever actually taken any of these drugs you're so knowledged about? Or are you just spouting the medical crap you hear on Trisha?
Everything that is pleasurable has some long term negative effect on your body or mind (depending which medical report you read).

When I say they dont feck your mind up, I mean when you take them, they dont make you halucinate, or think mental thoughts or anything. They just get you all rushy and feeling lush and stuff

<SA in "wish it was Friday" mode>

Those 2 substances in my view are far better for you (in the short term, and probably long term aswell, although I'm not a doctor) than booze. I'd rather have my kids/neices etc on coke than jack daniels. 100%.

[Bagpuss]

Gives you a hell of a buzz though.

Or so I've been told.

I'm not anti drugs, people should realise there is no clean drug though. Messing around with your brain on a regular basis will cause damage. It all depends how important your mental heath is to you. When you take illegal drugs you are in effect taking part in an uncontrolled clinical trial with the medication prepared by nefarious characters rather than a trained pharmacist.
Many people don't consider this at all, perhaps they should.

[Bagpuss]

Eh? What? We're not robots!!!

Look baggy, have you ever actually taken any of these drugs you're so knowledged about? Or are you just spouting the medical crap you hear on Trisha?
Everything that is pleasurable has some long term negative effect on your body or mind (depending which medical report you read).

When I say they dont feck your mind up, I mean when you take them, they dont make you halucinate, or think mental thoughts or anything. They just get you all rushy and feeling lush and stuff

<SA in "wish it was Friday" mode>

Those 2 substances in my view are far better for you (in the short term, and probably long term aswell, although I'm not a doctor) than booze. I'd rather have my kids/neices etc on coke than jack daniels. 100%.

Sally I know what I am talking about, it's not speculation it's fact. Your attitude is pretty shocking.

[snaw]

Of course, but we know what they do, many people are oblivious to how illegal drugs work. For every long term user of 'recreational' drugs I will show you a person who has had severe depression and most probably is now on antidepressants. It's a bit like inducing diabetes,the brain can no longer regulate it's serotonin levels (like a diabetic can't control blood sugar levels), and therefore a control medication is required (usual antidepressant).

Depends how you define long term use. I've used them (Not for a few years now I got to say) for over 15 years. I'm a happily married, with a family, a job and no need for prescription medication, and never been depressed in my life (Except for when celtic lost the uefa cup final).

Most of my friends likewise were the same and some took incredible quantities of Class A's, almost all have calmed down or stopped completely as they got older, and the one guy I know who has a problem, also has an alcohol problem (And a porn problem, and a prostitute adiction problem). I do know plenty of people who I'd class as alcoholics who've never touched a 'drug' in their lives and have done quite a few things they regret and have got some serious issues, personal and health, due to it.

Personally it's not the health that annoys me, it's the complete hypocrisy of highlighting the illegal ones and glossing over the legal equivalents.

[Bagpuss]

Depends how you define long term use. I've used them (Not for a few years now I got to say) for over 15 years. I'm a happily married, with a family, a job and no need for prescription medication, and never been depressed in my life (Except for when celtic lost the uefa cup final).

Most of my friends likewise were the same and some took incredible quantities of Class A's, almost all have calmed down or stopped completely as they got older, and the one guy I know who has a problem, also has an alcohol problem (And a porn problem, and a prostitute adiction problem). I do know plenty of people who I'd class as alcoholics who've never touched a 'drug' in their lives and have done quite a few things they regret and have got some serious issues, personal and health, due to it.

Personally it's not the health that annoys me, it's the complete hypocrisy of highlighting the illegal ones and glossing over the legal equivalents.

Snaw, I don't disagree with you, but I know many people who are depressed after long term cocaine, ecstacy or amphetamine use. These were people doing it every weekend for years, not the occassional time or a bing for a few months.

Gradually these people need more (because the brain starts to lose the ability to regulate serotonin). They need drugs everytime they go out, eventually it becomes a downward spiral into depression. I'm not saying it happens to everyone, but most people will experience it, it's a biological/chemical reaction.

I know quite alot about the action of drugs due to my job, I know the facts, I don't chose to ignore them. I think all drugs should be legalised, but people should be more aware of the negatives.

[SallyAnne]

Sally I know what I am talking about, it's not speculation it's fact. Your attitude is pretty shocking.

Why is it shocking?

[Bagpuss]

Why is it shocking?

a/ You don't seem to care about the negative effects, infact you just dismiss them even so much as disputing the existence. Just have a look in any medical text, it's not conjecture. They have been around long enough for people to understand the pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics

b/ You'd encourage your relatives to take them

[freakydancer]

I'm not anti drugs, people should realise there is no clean drug though. Messing around with your brain on a regular basis will cause damage. It all depends how important your mental heath is to you. When you take illegal drugs you are in effect taking part in an uncontrolled clinical trial with the medication prepared by nefarious characters rather than a trained pharmacist.
Many people don't consider this at all, perhaps they should.

Hard to think straight when you've had a skinful!!

Alledgedly.

[gingerjedi]

We are paying the price because drugs aren't cheap. with 1000's of percent mark ups of course there will be crime. If a hit of crack, cost 50p, do you think the addict would need to steal. He wouldn't be able to buy more than a few quids worth without od'ing

I know, whats your point? You are saying legalise all drugs on one hand but they should not be available on the NHS on the other? Are you suggesting we give dealers a license? Fair enough if they are taxed appropriately as alcohol and tobacco are but that would make them expensive again and then you would be back to square one with a black market. Prescription is the only way to get any kind of control.