Striving for peace!

[saptastic]

Sadly many Muslims are being told to hate Israel by their spiritual leaders. The misinformation being offered almost constantly by the Palestinian side is horrific.

Israel was about to normalise relations with Saudi Arabia which would have been incredible for the region.
Iranian extremists leadership wants to destroy Israel and everyone in it and therefore had to stop the peace process through violence.

Israel is fighting for its own survival.
What is the sad situation is the socialists, media, politicians and students who become apologists and champions for the Hamas terrorist cause -who are still holding over 100 hostages in tunnels.

[woody1]

What is the sad situation is the socialists, media, politicians and students who become apologists and champions for the Hamas terrorist cause -who are still holding over 100 hostages in tunnels.

Some may be but many are just concerned with 5-figure* loss of civilian life.

* I don't think anyone is disputing that it is a 5-figure number, even if people can't agree whether it starts with 2,3,4. Of course, some would argue that few if any of them are innocent victims.

[vetran]

Some may be but many are just concerned with 5-figure* loss of civilian life.

* I don't think anyone is disputing that it is a 5-figure number, even if people can't agree whether it starts with 2,3,4. Of course, some would argue that few if any of them are innocent victims.

what percentage of those are actually civilians?

[woody1]

what percentage of those are actually civilians?

I don't know. Perhaps there's a way of testing corpses to see whether they were:
a) combatant
b) sympathiser
c) innocent civilian

[vetran]

I don't know. Perhaps there's a way of testing corpses to see whether they were:
a) combatant
b) sympathiser
c) innocent civilian

well as Hamas are in charge one hopes they know who is a combatant?

Maybe we should ask them repeatedly?

[woody1]

Below what age would a casualty be considered an innocent civilian?

Despite both sides disagreeing over the actual number of children killed, no one disputes that it runs into thousands. Thousands of women have been killed too.

[vetran]

Below what age would a casualty be considered an innocent civilian?

Despite both sides disagreeing over the actual number of children killed, no one disputes that it runs into thousands. Thousands of women have been killed too.

Child soldiers - Hamas like the Vietcong are known to use them young. There is clear evidence they indoctrinate from an early age.

UN reports suggest 15 is common and 12 not impossible

https://www.refworld.org/reference/a.../2001/en/64736

16 year olds can be working for the IDF.

Women are regularly used by Hamas as Martyrs and to attack Israelis its likely some are also straight out combatants. Women also serve in the IDF, British & US armies.

Hamas also intentionally use civilians as human shields.

So gender & age are no indicators whether they are combatants.

It is rather a pity Hamas don't wear uniforms, we could count them!

Experts from West Point and many other highly skilled military strategists believe the ratio between Palestinian Civilian deaths and Palestinian combatants is one to one so if there are 40,000 dead then there were probably about 20,000 of those were combatants.

I do feel sorry for the innocent Palestinians just like the innocent Israelis

[woody1]

After the 7 Oct massacre, it is understandable that Israel would go after after Hamas. In a place like Gaza, you can't do that without a shed load of collateral damage.

How this will end, and what the future holds, who knows.