Striving for peace!

[woody1]

How many non combatants have truly been killed by Israel? They talk about 60,000 dead this is from the terrorists, half of the actual number will be dead terrorists and we know Hamas kill local people just to up the numbers, their leaders have said as much publicly and repeatedly.

Even if it was only 20,000 dead civilians, that's the size of a medium sized UK town. And that's just deaths, and not counting the injured and maimed.

I doubt you'd find many in Gaza (or West Bank or Lebanon for that matter) who are feeling even the tiniest bit reconciliatory towards Israelis.

It could be fvcked for another generation.

[woody1]

PS. I bet there's hardly anyone in Gaza who hasn't lost someone in their family, a loved one, neighbour or friend.

The bitter resentment towards the Israelis will run deep, and will take a very long time to dissipate.

[vetran]

PS. I bet there's hardly anyone in Gaza who hasn't lost someone in their family, a loved one, neighbour or friend.

The bitter resentment towards the Israelis will run deep, and will take a very long time to dissipate.

According to Al Jazeera 41,081 have died in Gaza. Hamas have a habit of inflating the figures and experts believe half of those killed were combatants. How many were killed directly or indirectly by Hamas is unknown. Most were in areas Israel advised to vacate before the IDF started action.

With a population of 2 million and 20,500 civilians dead then you might know one non combatant who was killed out of 100 people you know. As they were in a war zone that should of been evacuated the majority of civilians did.

The bitter resentment ran deep before Oct 7th and was created by Hamas and other terrorist organisations.

[woody1]

Well, I guess only time will tell if Gazans resist the urge to retaliate. But I'm not betting on it. It's all a bit bloodthirsty and "eye for an eye" in this region.

You may believe that Israel are the innocent party in this long running conflict but I don't see it as nearly so black and white. Things like building settlements on occupied lands are not only illegal but highly provocative. Maybe the Palestinians are mostly to blame for the violence but IMO the Israelis don't have clean hands either.

[vetran]

Well, I guess only time will tell if Gazans resist the urge to retaliate. But I'm not betting on it. It's all a bit bloodthirsty and "eye for an eye" in this region.

You may believe that Israel are the innocent party in this long running conflict but I don't see it as nearly so black and white. Things like building settlements on occupied lands are not only illegal but highly provocative. Maybe the Palestinians are mostly to blame for the violence but IMO the Israelis don't have clean hands either.

Sadly this is pretty typical in such circumstances as you say nobody's hands are clean. Though as a country I would prefer to live next to Israel than almost every other country in the region.

[woody1]

Though as a country I would prefer to live next to Israel than almost every other country in the region.

+1

If I had neighbours like Israel's, I'd move.

[vetran]

+1

If I had neighbours like Israel's, I'd move.

Where to? I can't see Europe being keen to share either. Persecution of the Jews seems to have been global over the centuries.

Maybe we can give them Northern Ireland or Scotland and send all those that want to shout from the river to the sea off to the Haven of the new "Caliphate of Palestine"? We can send female University students & LGBTs for Hamas as well.

[vetran]

This quite interesting it covers Palestinian refugee status and "the right of return" something I hadn't quite understood.

[Zigenare]

This quite interesting it covers Palestinian refugee status and "the right of return" something I hadn't quite understood.

An interesting exercise in explaining why Palestinians born in "neighbourhoods" - not "refugee camps", mustn't use that term; should not be allowed to return to their homeland.

Now explain to me how a Jew born in Europe or the United States has the right to call Israel "their homeland"?

[vetran]

An interesting exercise in explaining why Palestinians born in "neighbourhoods" - not "refugee camps", mustn't use that term; should not be allowed to return to their homeland.

Now explain to me how a Jew born in Europe or the United States has the right to call Israel "their homeland"?

As explained in the video where the Palestinians want to return to is a village in Israel they left when the neighbouring Arab lands told them to leave as they were going to obliterate Israel and the Jews. If they go back hey don't want to share it. i.e. they want Israel to disappear that is rather key.

Interesting point about the homeland its probably like all those plastic Scots running round in kilts having been born in Dagenham and not ever travelled past Watford gap believe they are related to Rob Roy because their great,great uncle had a crusty tartan sock.


You do know the Jews used to live in & around Israel historically before they were forced out by the Ottomans persecution.

The big thing is Israel want Jews in their homeland so will probably look favourably on a European / US Jews visa application. Its unlikely Jewish people will bomb a bus, detonate a car bomb or even rip down border fences to go on a vicious terrorist attack.

Many of the Palestinians are actually from Egypt who strangely don't want them back. The current population who aren't Egyptian are mainly born in Gaza/west bank.