In contrast to Mr Tate this lady has some great observations.

[vetran]

A feminist that understood the reality of Men's Rights Associations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WMuzhQXJoY

the film maker behind the red pill

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3686998/

[northernladuk]

She probably has a balanaced argument and views else you wouldn't have posted it but as soon as she said all she knew of 'Mens Rights groups was from the internet and was regarded as a misogynistic hate group actively working against womens rights' I switched off in annyonce.

I imagine the point of the post was that she then debunks this with good observations was but to irked to watch any furhter. Might have a look later.

[vetran]

She probably has a balanaced argument and views else you wouldn't have posted it but as soon as she said all she knew of 'Mens Rights groups was from the internet and was regarded as a misogynistic hate group actively working against womens rights' I switched off in annyonce.

I imagine the point of the post was that she then debunks this with good observations was but to irked to watch any furhter. Might have a look later.

She documents her journey from believing the feminist dogma of all men are evil to oh look some of them have a point and the sisterhood can be bad as well. She even interviews a feminist that makes Andrew Tate look credible.

Mainly over men's higher death rate (98% higher) , paternity fraud (1 in7) , custody disparity (82% are women) , partner abuse (1/3 female 1/4 male are abused) but she is reassuringly honest about her experience and supports her conclusions with facts.

Its clear we need to balance Women's & Men's rights.

[SueEllen]

You only just heard of her?

Where have you been?

One of the arguments in the feminist movement is just this. Unfortunately those of us who know this stuff get drowned out and most men don't help themselves.

[vetran]

You only just heard of her?

Where have you been?

One of the arguments in the feminist movement is just this. Unfortunately those of us who know this stuff get drowned out and most men don't help themselves.

I haven't and she seems to actually know what she is talking about. Let us hope we see more of her like.

If feminists are all over it, then so when do we get:

1. 25% of women locked up for domestic violence?
2. Assumptions of guilt when women are accused of physical abuse?
3. default custody 50% awarded to the father.?
4. Court ordered DNA tests on divorce/child support awards?
5. Prosecution for paternity fraud?
6. Division of household money based on contribution or need not gender?
7. Equality of sentencing regardless of gender?
8. Rape allegations kept private until a judge grants a disclosure order based on decent evidence?

Or at least feminists supporting such things publicly? These have all been discussed but the accusation is its just misogyny. How dare you accuse the sisterhood you filthy man!

Or you girls can grow some ovaries and stand up for what you know is right.

[JustKeepSwimming]

I haven't and she seems to actually know what she is talking about. Let us hope we see more of her like.

If feminists are all over it, then so when do we get:

1. 25% of women locked up for domestic violence?
2. Assumptions of guilt when women are accused of physical abuse?
3. default custody 50% awarded to the father.?
4. Court ordered DNA tests on divorce/child support awards?
5. Prosecution for paternity fraud?
6. Division of household money based on contribution or need not gender?
7. Equality of sentencing regardless of gender?
8. Rape allegations kept private until a judge grants a disclosure order based on decent evidence?

Or at least feminists supporting such things publicly? These have all been discussed but the accusation is its just misogyny. How dare you accuse the sisterhood you filthy man!

Or you girls can grow some ovaries and stand up for what you know is right.

You don't overcome victim Olympics by entering the victim Olympics.

There is an issue. Ironically female judges are actually harsher, ie fairer, on female defendants than male judges.

Majority of police officers are male. So any prejudice against males is typically perpetrated by males.

So in many cases it's males being discriminatory against other males and just blaming females doesn't address the issue, which I think many MRA fall for. All guys grew up with 'You never hit a girl' even if they are attacking us. It wasn't females telling us that, it was other guys.



As an aside. If you get married then the division should be 50-50. Don't like it then don't get married, far too many people fail to comprehend marriage is a legal contract with rights in return for responsibilities.

[vetran]

You don't overcome victim Olympics by entering the victim Olympics.

There is an issue. Ironically female judges are actually harsher, ie fairer, on female defendants than male judges.

Majority of police officers are male. So any prejudice against males is typically perpetrated by males.

So in many cases it's males being discriminatory against other males and just blaming females doesn't address the issue, which I think many MRA fall for. All guys grew up with 'You never hit a girl' even if they are attacking us. It wasn't females telling us that, it was other guys.



As an aside. If you get married then the division should be 50-50. Don't like it then don't get married, far too many people fail to comprehend marriage is a legal contract with rights in return for responsibilities.

And there it is. The statistics say these injustices happen but when anyone mentions them men are accused of blaming women or being deranged.

Defence is its all males fault so don't bother.

How many battered men shelters are there?

Even if you don't get married or father a child you can be pursued for child support.

[JustKeepSwimming]

And there it is. The statistics say these injustices happen but when anyone mentions them men are accused of blaming women or being deranged.

When it is males who are discriminating against males and all you do is screech for females to call it out you aren't looking to tackle the issue, you just want victim points.

Defence is its all males fault so don't bother.

Defence to what offence? Denying male issues is very different to not advocating for male issues. You seem to want to equate them.

How many battered men shelters are there?

Not enough...

Even if you don't get married or father a child you can be pursued for child support.

Is that true? Quick google of UK cases don't seem to be as you are suggesting. If there is a paternity dispute the alleged father can ask CMS to compel a DNA test.

https://www.ombudsman.org.uk/news-an...-child-support

[vetran]

When it is males who are discriminating against males and all you do is screech for females to call it out you aren't looking to tackle the issue, you just want victim points.

Defence to what offence? Denying male issues is very different to not advocating for male issues. You seem to want to equate them.

Not enough...

Is that true? Quick google of UK cases don't seem to be as you are suggesting. If there is a paternity dispute the alleged father can ask CMS to compel a DNA test.

https://www.ombudsman.org.uk/news-an...-child-support

No it is the judiciary who is discriminating. That is an organisation not a gender. Women are more likely to be imprisoned for none payment of Tv License - most men think that is absurd.

Why deny any issues? Equality is just that.If its not equal for any reason then fix it.

I want to see more females in positions of power, they are half the workforce.

If Men, women or minorities get unfair sentences I want to know why its not fair.

Yes its true and there have been multiple cases some so blatant its unreal. Have you taken a DNA test? Most men don't in what appear to be stable relationships.l I suggested was mandating one if child support is suggested.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...t-hes-22261905

Dad forced to keep paying child maintenance after finding out daughter isn't his


The father, from Hull, has hit out at the Child Maintenance Service (CMS) after he paid £38,000 over 14 years before learning that the girl he helped raise wasn't his

https://www.menshealth.com/trending-...back-payments/

Here's an interesting mystery for you sleuths out there: A Texas man named Gabriel Cornejo is being asked to pay $65,000 in child support back payments for a teenage girl he didn't father. Why? Well, in 2003, the mother of the teenager told a Texas court that Cornejo was the only possible candidate to be the girl's father, per a local ABC station. After a "default judgment" was made in her favor, Cornejo was ordered to begin doling child support payments.

However, he claims that he was never looped in; in fact, he'd broken up with the woman two years prior to the case. Though court records suggest that he was subpoenaed about the case some time back, Cornejo denies this ever occurred.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternity_fraud

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-46827601

https://www.researchgate.net/publica...aternity_Rates

6.9-13.8%

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/...tbl3_237633127

but luckily your article shows how easy it is to rectify the issue.

He raised the issue of paternity with CMS and requested a DNA test nine times over the next five years. Each time he was repeatedly – and wrongly - told that if his ex-partner refused any of his requests, he would remain the assumed father and could only rectify the issue by going to court.

In fact, a paternity dispute can be raised at any time during a child maintenance case.

It was only on the ninth call that a CMS employee realised he had been given inaccurate information and raised a dispute.

CMS then wrote to Mr E’s former partner to inform her she needed to take a DNA test. She refused and Mr E was then told he no longer needed to pay child support. By then, he had already paid a total of £8,580.39 for child maintenance.

[SueEllen]

No it is the judiciary who is discriminating. That is an organisation not a gender.

Who are currently made up of mostly private school educated men

Seems like men like you need to get involved in campaigns to diversify the judiciary. You also need to encourage and help if possible anyone you are acquainted with/meet who could help fulfil that aim.

Why deny any issues? Equality is just that.If its not equal for any reason then fix it.

Who is denying issues?

What is being pointed out is that men who want equality can fight for it just like women and take measures in their lives, however small, to help gain it.

Yes its true and there have been multiple cases some so blatant its unreal. Have you taken a DNA test? Most men don't in what appear to be stable relationships.l I suggested was mandating one if child support is suggested.

You are implying adult men who don't insist on one, which is their legal right, before handing over their cash are victims?