Tate BBC Interview

[northernladuk]

IMO it's because most of us, who are in the moderate range, have just nope'd out of the discussion. On most of these issues there is some merit in both sides but like hell is it worth standing between them.

Absolutely but I think d000hg is talking at the extreme end of the movements, the activist level stuff. It's a bit like the vegans. You know what, if that's your choice go for it. Have vegan shops/restaurants, have vegan on the menu, I'll cook vegan if I had guests (I'd grumble about it to be fair) but when they walk in to a butcher, start throwing blood around and telling me what I can and can't eat then the whole lot of them can foxtrot oscar. Conversely people demonstrating against vegans, walking in to vegan restaurants and eating meat etc. Just not helpful on any level and the war continues.

Most people are tying hard with the groups d000hg mentions and accomodation is a two way thing as we work towards a level playing field but either extremes will force the issue on you without compromise, label us, demand all and give nothing then the whole thing goes out of the window.

[northernladuk]

There is an article on the DM website about the BBC facing fury over who they give a platform. To be fair I'm more disappointed in them giving that Mizzy reprobate a platform over Tate. At least Tate has points to debate. Mizzy is just a low life who's going to make a lot of money from being being a complete waste of time. His influence and message is going to be a lot more real and damaging.

[TheDude]

What is the Alphabet Mafia?

Is it a more extreme version of Sesame Street?

[SueEllen]

What is the Alphabet Mafia?

Is it a more extreme version of Sesame Street?

You know how to use Google don't you?

Then use it

[JustKeepSwimming]

You know how to use Google don't you?

Then use it

IDK man, their logo looks awfully sus, think they are in on it.

[woohoo]

You know how to use Google don't you?

Then use it

ChatGPT response is a bit woke

"Alphabet Mafia" is a term often used in a playful or affectionate manner to refer to the LGBTQ+ (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, and others) community. The "alphabet" part of the term refers to the acronym LGBTQ+ and its variants, which can be quite long with the inclusion of many different identities (for example, LGBTQIA+ stands for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer or Questioning, Intersex, and Asexual or Ally). The "mafia" part is used humorously to suggest the community's solidarity and strength.

Please note that while some people within the LGBTQ+ community use and appreciate this term, others may not. As with any label or term referring to a group of people, it's always best to respect individual preferences and use the terms people prefer for themselves.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

How wonderful. To move to a country run and policed by bigots.

Nope.... I'm leaving the UK, not moving to it. One of the main reasons actually.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

I think you are being a bit unfair to lose resepect over one aspect of the man. If that's the case then I'd question if you really respect him or just agree with what he does.

I also think it's based on who you are. You clearly champion people who say stuff you like. These peope challenge everything and in some cases you might not like what they think. For example, Ben Shaprio, you may love his stance on men becoming women and he's extremely good at debating it, but he has a stong opinion on abortion which you may not agree on. So do you respect him because he's bloody good at debating and factualising his argument or do you resepect him because he says what you agree with. I think they are different thing.

So is your respect based on he's bloody good at what he does and challenges popular rhetoric or respect him because he's championing your causes?

And I'd agree with Woohoo, you can't applaud someone for fighting the system, digging deep in to all opinions and debating yet call them for speaking to someone that is hugely unpopular to debate it. If you were a Saudi Arabian would you lose respect for someone that suggest women could drive? You get my point?

I respect those with a difference of opinion to me provided we have the ability to challenge each other in a respectful way and actually have the ability to disagree without being labelled in the nasty ways society does to us. The UK used to be a place where you can say your views without being cancelled. For example I am openly against LGBT culture and values and the grooming of children in schools. I am not allowed to say that publicly though. If I could oppose that and take action against the schools then there would be some level respect for this society. Unfortunately that has completely gone now. However for the general public and those who are generally on my side of the fence I will support them until a they step over a red line. I draw red lines when somebody makes friends with a child murder.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Not sure how many countries it's banned in, wonder which he's moving to? Uganda? Afghanistan?

Increasingly though, the pro and anti LGBT groups are becoming equally bigoted. Neither will tolerate the other view being expressed and will actively work to suppress this, even by threat or violence.

How bigoted to look down on those societies when you are in a country that sexually grooms children in schools and teaches us that men can become pregnant. Look in the mirror before you start pointing your finger at others.

[JustKeepSwimming]

I respect those with a difference of opinion to me provided we have the ability to challenge each other in a respectful way and actually have the ability to disagree without being labelled in the nasty ways society does to us. The UK used to be a place where you can say your views without being cancelled. For example I am openly against LGBT culture and values and the grooming of children in schools. I am not allowed to say that publicly though. If I could oppose that and take action against the schools then there would be some level respect for this society. Unfortunately that has completely gone now. However for the general public and those who are generally on my side of the fence I will support them until a they step over a red line. I draw red lines when somebody makes friends with a child murder.

Of course you can say you're a bigot publicly, you have that right. Where I think you get confused is you think you also have the right to dictate that your employer/client/friends/family do not disown you for it.