NHS satisfaction...

[SueEllen]

I think that just putting actual doctors in charge of the NHS would go a long way to fixing its problems.

Doctors are not managers or accountants.

Why do you think GP partnerships hire a Practice Manager?

[vetran]

If you want people to take your posts seriously don't quote the tax payers alliance.

I quoted the Tax Payers alliance, government policy and the Minister.

[vetran]

Ah, good old vet, conflating two stories.

Where's the facts behind the paracetamol claims?

Try looking?

https://www.scotsman.com/health/reve...cotland-287448

The NHS in England has spent almost £400m prescribing paracetamol in the past five years at a cost of £3.23 per item, despite the pills being sold over the counter at a fraction of the cost.

James Price, campaign manager at the TaxPayers’ Alliance, said: “It’s completely baffling how trusts have spent so much on paracetamol, which can be purchased for mere pennies in commercial shops. But poor NHS procurement means that it is much more expensive to both purchase and give to patients. Taxpayers should not be subsidising paracetamol when it is much cheaper in the shops.”

https://northyorkshireccg.nhs.uk/wp-...aracetamol.pdf

The cost to the NHS for prescribing paracetamol every year is £80 million. *Based on the approximate price of 32 tablets On prescription the cost of 32 tablets is around three times more than for a patient to buy locally.

[WTFH]

Try looking?

https://www.scotsman.com/health/reve...cotland-287448
https://northyorkshireccg.nhs.uk/wp-...aracetamol.pdf

Both those talk about the cost of prescribing paracetamol compared to buying OTC.

It does not say that the cost the NHS pays for the drug is 3x that of tescos, but the cost of prescribing paracetamol.

Do you notice the difference? Because it's clear the Taxpayers Alliance and the Wail don't want you to notice it.

Or, to put it another way, here's the facts...

Paracetamol 500mg tablets A A H Pharmaceuticals Ltd

1. Size 100Unit tablet
   NHS indicative price £2.75
   Legal categoryPOM (Prescription-only medicine)
2. Size 1000 Unit tablet
   NHS indicative price £23.75
   Legal categoryPOM (Prescription-only medicine)

So, that's 100 tablets for £2.75, i.e. 2.75p each,
Or 1000 tablets for £23.75, i.e. 2.375p each.

...and that's the indicative price, not the tariff price, which is currently £2.44 per hundred.

In other words, your quote:

James Price, campaign manager at the TaxPayers’ Alliance, said: “It’s completely baffling how trusts have spent so much on paracetamol, which can be purchased for mere pennies in commercial shops. But poor NHS procurement means that it is much more expensive to both purchase and give to patients. Taxpayers should not be subsidising paracetamol when it is much cheaper in the shops.”

Is a lie which has been lapped up by idiots too dumb to think for themselves.

[Paddy]

...The NHS in England has spent almost £400m prescribing paracetamol in the past five years at a cost of £3.23 per item, despite the pills being sold over the counter at a fraction of the cost.

No really correct. Paracetamol is normally prescribed in bulk for severe long-term pain. Over the counter Paracetamol is limited to two small packets, bulk prescription are in boxes of 100 and the average prescription is 200 to 500.

[vetran]

Both those talk about the cost of prescribing paracetamol compared to buying OTC.

It does not say that the cost the NHS pays for the drug is 3x that of tescos, but the cost of prescribing paracetamol.

Do you notice the difference? Because it's clear the Taxpayers Alliance and the Wail don't want you to notice it.

Or, to put it another way, here's the facts...

Paracetamol 500mg tablets A A H Pharmaceuticals Ltd

1. Size 100Unit tablet
   NHS indicative price £2.75
   Legal categoryPOM (Prescription-only medicine)
2. Size 1000 Unit tablet
   NHS indicative price £23.75
   Legal categoryPOM (Prescription-only medicine)

So, that's 100 tablets for £2.75, i.e. 2.75p each,
Or 1000 tablets for £23.75, i.e. 2.375p each.

...and that's the indicative price, not the tariff price, which is currently £2.44 per hundred.

In other words, your quote:

Is a lie which has been lapped up by idiots too dumb to think for themselves.

2.35 * 16 = 37.6? and Tesco was about 39p for 16. So the NHS are buying paracetamol by the 1000 at nearly Tesco's public sale price per pill. Massive discount that.

They only pay 44p for 16 by the hundred.

In other words on your figures - you couldn't make it up!



Don't let the Tax payers Alliance & Wail find out!

[WTFH]

2.35 * 16 = 37.6? and Tesco was about 39p for 16. So the NHS are buying paracetamol by the 1000 at nearly Tesco's public sale price per pill. Massive discount that.

They only pay 44p for 16 by the hundred.

In other words on your figures - you couldn't make it up!

Don't let the Tax payers Alliance & Wail find out!

Your sources claimed that it costs the NHS three times as much to buy paracetamol as Tescos sell it for.

I provided factual evidence that it does not cost three times the amount, and now you're wanting to change your argument to "the NHS aren't paying way over the odds, the Wail story is a lie, therefore I am right"

Your friend said "But poor NHS procurement means that it is much more expensive to both purchase and give to patients. Taxpayers should not be subsidising paracetamol when it is much cheaper in the shops"

Is it much more expensive for the NHS to purchase than it is to buy in the shops? No. That is a lie that has been bought by you.

Oh, and further to your lies and miscalculations,
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-G...ucts/255488740

65p for 16. That's just over 4p per unit, or 71% markup on the NHS price.

...but don't let the Coffin Dodgers Alliance or Fail find out.

[vetran]

oh look 2p per pill today in your local B&M the Tesco price was a while ago.

https://www.bmstores.co.uk/products/...ts-16pk-359497

wonder what they buy them for?

[vetran]

Your sources claimed that it costs the NHS three times as much to buy paracetamol as Tescos sell it for.

I provided factual evidence that it does not cost three times the amount, and now you're wanting to change your argument to "the NHS aren't paying way over the odds, the Wail story is a lie, therefore I am right"

They are buying at more than retail price in quantities of 100. What do Tesco or B&M buy them for?

Note this is since it was highlighted by the health minister.

[WTFH]

They are buying at more than retail price in quantities of 100. What do Tesco or B&M buy them for?

Note this is since it was highlighted by the health minister.

You'd better go and ask them how much they pay.

Based on your earlier lies, B&M must be buying them for, what 50p per hundred?