'5 ways to save the world' BBC2 (last night)

[sasguru]

[QUOTE=The Lone Gunman] There is other science out there which argues other ways, but it is much harder to find because there are not so many people with agendas to push it...
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Yes there is. Quite a lot sponsored by shadowy foundations whose money comes from oil companies (like the link that DP posted yesterday).
Science works on balance of evidence - if even a senior member of the Republican party now claims "the debate is over - what are we going to do about it?" - it annoys me when people who haven't put in an iota of effort into trying to understand it come out with ill-informed garbage, as you are doing.

[Bagpuss]

I must admit the sceptism toward science on this forum is a little worrying. The scientific community is pretty good at regulating itself. If spurious research is published it gets serious flaming at peer review. Moreover, the large scientific journals won't publish any old tosh with supportative data. Yet plethora of research is being dismissed as bunkum by people who have not even bothered to read it, and at best know only a few selected paraphrases and misinterpretations in the mainstream press, who themselves have an agenda. If there is a conspiracy it's in how we should react, not in the research itself.

[sasguru]

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Quite articulate for a pimp, I would say...

[wonderwaif]

[QUOTE=sasguru]

There is other science out there which argues other ways, but it is much harder to find because there are not so many people with agendas to push it...
QUOTE]

Yes there is. Quite a lot sponsored by shadowy foundations whose money comes from oil companies (like the link that DP posted yesterday).
Science works on balance of evidence - if even a senior member of the Republican party now claims "the debate is over - what are we going to do about it?" - it annoys me when people who haven't put in an iota of effort into trying to understand it come out with ill-informed garbage, as you are doing.

I want to understand, I just don't have time to read all that just now.
If somebody would just point me to the bit that explains previous warming cooling cycles instead of berating my ignorance, i would be most grateful.
Thanks

[Dalek Supreme]

Look, name calling, posturing and waving of "this definitive scientific paper" around, has anyone explained the medieval and Roman-era warm periods? Clearly they were not caused by CO2 emissions from cars and planes.

[Jawz]

I must admit the sceptism toward science on this forum is a little worrying. The scientific community is pretty good at regulation itself. If spurious research is published it gets serious flaming. Moreover, the large scientific journals won't publish any old tosh. Yet plethora of research is being dismissed as bunkum by people who have not even bothered to read it, and at best know only a few selected paraphrases and misinterpretations in the mainstream press. If there is a conspiracy it's in how we should react, not in the research itself.

Well put bagpuss. Various scientific bodies just don't have a reason for creating this global warming myth, maybe one or two could profit from it, but now there is a general consensus amongst ALL science based bodies that we have affected climate change.

[wonderwaif]

I must admit the sceptism toward science on this forum is a little worrying. The scientific community is pretty good at regulating itself. If spurious research is published it gets serious flaming at peer review. Moreover, the large scientific journals won't publish any old tosh with supportative data. Yet plethora of research is being dismissed as bunkum by people who have not even bothered to read it, and at best know only a few selected paraphrases and misinterpretations in the mainstream press, who themselves have an agenda. If there is a conspiracy it's in how we should react, not in the research itself.

I don't see where we are sceptical about science. We are asking which scientist we should believe.
Now, about that warming/cooling explanation.....

[Bagpuss]

Look, name calling, posturing and waving of "this definitive scientific paper" around, has anyone explained the medieval and Roman-era warm periods? Clearly they were not caused by CO2 emissions from cars and planes.

It's the rate of change that's the issue, not whether it's warmer or colder than it has been before. We have built quite alot of things since the midleages, I imagine most people would be fairly keen to keep them!

[The Lone Gunman]

[QUOTE=sasguru]

There is other science out there which argues other ways, but it is much harder to find because there are not so many people with agendas to push it...
QUOTE]

Yes there is. Quite a lot sponsored by shadowy foundations whose money comes from oil companies (like the link that DP posted yesterday).
Science works on balance of evidence - if even a senior member of the Republican party now claims "the debate is over - what are we going to do about it?" - it annoys me when people who haven't put in an iota of effort into trying to understand it come out with ill-informed garbage, as you are doing.

Where do you get the idea I am ill informed or what I am saying is garbage?
Your argument is based on a report produced by a number of people whose interests will be best served if they show a link.

Show me that you understand the science that says you are wrong and I may accept your point. Untill then you will find that it is you who is the ill informed idiot around here.

Now tell me again how we account for the rapid changes in temperature and climate before human activity was a factor.
Untill your science can prove that the same issues are not re-occuring then your science can not be trusted.
Much of the science I have read shows why the previous changes occured.

As I have said. I do believe that human activity is a factor.
I choose not to blindly follow your path.

Gte your head out of your arse and read the rest of the science. It is you that is the Chico here pushing your truth taken from your bible at us.

[Dalek Supreme]

Has anyone explained the medieval and Roman-era warm periods?

Please?