NHS

[vetran]

1,720 doctors being EU nationals left the UK after Brexit. Over 30,000 nurses being EU nationals left the UK after Brexit some of whom I know personally who left after Brexit. Considering both Tory and Labour are pro Brexit, then this will not be raised in Parliament.

So you are firmly in the poach staff from poorer countries camp then?

I'm lets train our own needs.

[The Spartan]

So you are firmly in the poach staff from poorer countries camp then?

I'm lets train our own needs.

Same here, we should be training the staff we need to meet our own needs. Dentistry is another area that needs more attention too, my eyes have really been opened when I took mini Spartan to a few University open days over the last few months. Most Universities that run Dentistry course only have 60-70 places a year which is nowhere near enough for a 5 year course.

[malvolio]

1,720 doctors being EU nationals left the UK after Brexit. Over 30,000 nurses being EU nationals left the UK after Brexit some of whom I know personally who left after Brexit. Considering both Tory and Labour are pro Brexit, then this will not be raised in Parliament.

Quite a lot of those doctors and nurses left because they couldn't pass the Use of English requirement; something that we couldn't impose prior to Brexit. Given clear communication is fairly necessary when dealing with people, that is not altogether a bad thing.

[WTFH]

Quite a lot of those doctors and nurses left because they couldn't pass the Use of English requirement; something that we couldn't impose prior to Brexit. Given clear communication is fairly necessary when dealing with people, that is not altogether a bad thing.

Can you provide a link to that claim?

And not just a link to the Australian company (Cambridge Boxhill Language Assessment Pty Ltd) that the government outsourced the tests to, rather than giving it to a UK tax paying business.

[vetran]

Can you provide a link to that claim?

I doubt they left but the figures don't look good

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ls-gmc-licence

Nearly half of all EU doctors who sought work in the UK in the past year were turned away because they failed to prove their English was good enough, the medical regulator has revealed.

In all, 779 doctors – 45% of those who applied – did not give evidence of their language skills to the General Medical Council (GMC), and were therefore refused a licence to practise, between 25 June 2014 and 6 July this year.

The GMC, which registers doctors and licenses them to work, has been able to check EU medics’ English since last summer – years after Guardian revelations about how an incompetent German doctor, Daniel Ubani, accidentally killed David Gray, 70, while on his first UK shift in 2008.

[WTFH]

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[WTFH]

I doubt they left but the figures don't look good

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ls-gmc-licence

Doesn't look good, although I'd note there's a difference between "failed to prove they had passed" and "couldn't pass"
Also, I see that article is about passing a test that, according to Malvolio, could not have existed in 2015 - when the article was written.

[Paddy]

Quite a lot of those doctors and nurses left because they couldn't pass the Use of English requirement; something that we couldn't impose prior to Brexit. Given clear communication is fairly necessary when dealing with people, that is not altogether a bad thing.

Absolute bollox, and you know it.

So you are firmly in the poach staff from poorer countries camp then?

I'm lets train our own needs.

No, it worked both ways, UK medics and students were getting experience and training in EU countries. This was especially helpful to the UK as university training is cheaper and sometimes free in EU countries. At least with the EU there is freedom of movement both ways but currently under the UK's policy it is one way into the UK.

Ironically, at the time of the Brexit referendum I was listening to a radio documentary about a Dental University in Sofia. They interviewed a non-fee paying English student who was graduating, he was going back to the UK but he said he will vote for Brexit to stop dentists coming to the UK.

[vetran]

Doesn't look good, although I'd note there's a difference between "failed to prove they had passed" and "couldn't pass"
Also, I see that article is about passing a test that, according to Malvolio, could not have existed in 2015 - when the article was written.

Strange if I apply for a job and can't / don't prove I can do it I accept I failed not use weasel words.

I agree Malvolio is wrong, language competency tests were finally instigated when a German doctor actually killed someone because of poor English, before that the lefties were saying it can't be done because of the EU freedom of movement.

[Zigenare]

The NHS is a classic example of "Price's Law" and until the less productive 90% get a cattle prod up their arse then throwing money at the problem is a criminal waste.