Mini Budget aka Fiscal Statement

[AtW]

"Goldman Sachs said that the increase in corporation tax to 25% in April – after Truss U-turned on one of her key Conservative leadership campaign commitments – was one factor.

Its report said: “Folding in weaker growth momentum, significantly tighter financial conditions, and the higher corporation tax from next April, we downgrade our UK growth outlook further and now expect a more significant recession.”"

https://www.theguardian.com/business...ession-in-2023

[Whorty]

95% waiting in an arbitrary period? A pointless measure by any standard, especially when every hospital now needs to devote a whole team to measuring wait times and reporting them.

The deterioration started well before Hunt's tenure, and while he didn't make it better - hard to see how anybody could given the constraints - it certainly didn't make it worse.

It was his job to make it better. That's what he was paid to do. Imagine if we used that excuse in our roles, we'd be kicked out in a heartbeat.

As for the targets, he was the top dog. He could have removed those targets, as could any tory PM the last 12 years ...

[malvolio]

So it is knee jerk politics to do workforce planning which the doctors unions and other health unions asked the government that has been in power for 12 years to do?

It is knee jerk politics to sort out a mechanism to stop doctors paying into their pensions so they don't retire early which the government in power had 12 years to sort out?

Etc
If the party in power could force through the Lansley reforms and junior doctors pay deal, I'm sure if they had the willing they could have sorted out the 2 issues I've mentioned above plus other things that have already been mentioned.

Perhaps look at the hiring process for the NHS, the qualifications needed even to apply, the quota requirements, the time it takes and the rewards on offer, across all the disciplines (there are a lot more people involved in healthcare than "doctors and nurses"). Then talk about workforce planning.

These are complicated issues, compounded by much largely irrelevant legislation and far too much bureaucracy. It's not in any one person's scope to resolve them.

As for Parliament doing it - well good luck with that one. If Hunt had come up with a rational plan of what needed doing, it would never get through the House. It would need a major majority, a brave PM and a Health Minister with the full support of his Cabinet and party even to come up with the plan. WE had one of them a month or so back, now we haven't.

[SueEllen]

Perhaps look at the hiring process for the NHS, the qualifications needed even to apply, the quota requirements, the time it takes and the rewards on offer, across all the disciplines (there are a lot more people involved in healthcare than "doctors and nurses"). Then talk about workforce planning.

You've made the mistake in not realising that other posters have family members who work and have recently worked at different levels, including high up, in the NHS and have had to listen to years of their moans.

These are complicated issues, compounded by much largely irrelevant legislation and far too much bureaucracy. It's not in any one person's scope to resolve them.

Actually that's what the government especially the Health Secretary is there for.

As for Parliament doing it - well good luck with that one. If Hunt had come up with a rational plan of what needed doing, it would never get through the House. It would need a major majority, a brave PM and a Health Minister with the full support of his Cabinet and party even to come up with the plan. WE had one of them a month or so back, now we haven't.

Odd how the Lansley reforms could be pushed through with so much opposition. I believe the Tory's were in coalition when they were pushed through...

[d000hg]

It's all going really well for Liz. What's the record for shortest serving UK PM?

Of more note, when the Tories got their landslide victory last GE and all the Red Wall stuff, commentators confidently asserted "this sort of dominance guarantees them the next GE, no go9vernment ever loses this sort of lead in a single term". And now not only are they set to lose, it's not even looking close and more than possibly a landslide of the same size t'other way.

Of course that's reliant on Labour not cocking it up so maybe it's 50:50. Keir doesn't need to do anything but he or the PLP could easily steal disaster from victory at any moment.

[Dark Black]

It's all going really well for Liz. What's the record for shortest serving UK PM?

Of more note, when the Tories got their landslide victory last GE and all the Red Wall stuff, commentators confidently asserted "this sort of dominance guarantees them the next GE, no go9vernment ever loses this sort of lead in a single term". And now not only are they set to lose, it's not even looking close and more than possibly a landslide of the same size t'other way.

Of course that's reliant on Labour not cocking it up so maybe it's 50:50. Keir doesn't need to do anything but he or the PLP could easily steal disaster from victory at any moment.

Shouldn't have got rid of Boris then should they, self-serving idiots.

The man was far from perfect, but was the best chance they had of winning another term in the near future.

[jamesbrown]

It's all going really well for Liz. What's the record for shortest serving UK PM?

Of more note, when the Tories got their landslide victory last GE and all the Red Wall stuff, commentators confidently asserted "this sort of dominance guarantees them the next GE, no go9vernment ever loses this sort of lead in a single term". And now not only are they set to lose, it's not even looking close and more than possibly a landslide of the same size t'other way.

Of course that's reliant on Labour not cocking it up so maybe it's 50:50. Keir doesn't need to do anything but he or the PLP could easily steal disaster from victory at any moment.

Life comes at you fast. I dare say we’ve all made confident predictions that turned out to be utter crap, especially w/r to politics over the last 10 years.

[d000hg]

Shouldn't have got rid of Boris then should they, self-serving idiots.

The man was far from perfect, but was the best chance they had of winning another term in the near future.

And that's the sort of deluded nonsense you hear from Tory MPs which shows quite how distant they are from the real world and why they are doomed for a pasting. Even know there is a vocal minority who think Boris should be back in charge.

Look at the by-elections we have had since party-gate... massive protest votes largely targeted at Boris. I don't think that's a great way to vote but being pragmatic Boris had 'lost the dressing room' regardless of what was 'right'.

The Tory MPs wanted Rishi as PM, the 'self serving vote' came from the party members. A bit like Corbyn, the party members have royally screwed their own party.

[Zigenare]

And that's the sort of deluded nonsense you hear from Tory MPs which shows quite how distant they are from the real world and why they are doomed for a pasting. Even know there is a vocal minority who think Boris should be back in charge.

Look at the by-elections we have had since party-gate... massive protest votes largely targeted at Boris. I don't think that's a great way to vote but being pragmatic Boris had 'lost the dressing room' regardless of what was 'right'.

The Tory MPs wanted Rishi as PM, the 'self serving vote' came from the party members. A bit like Corbyn, the party members have royally screwed their own party.

The candidates for leadership of the Tory Party knew exactly to whom they had to appeal - the Party Members. That is how the system works. TPTB didn't like the result - what is happening now is setting a dangerous precedent. Soon no-one will have a vote, or certainly not one that matters. It was no accident of fate that the Irish were forced to vote again in the Treaty of Lisbon referendums (or "referenda" dependent on your school of thought) .

[WTFH]

The candidates for leadership of the Tory Party knew exactly to whom they had to appeal - the Party Members. That is how the system works. TPTB didn't like the result - what is happening now is setting a dangerous precedent. Soon no-one will have a vote, or certainly not one that matters. It was no accident of fate that the Irish were forced to vote again in the Treaty of Lisbon referendums (or "referenda" dependent on your school of thought) .

What has the Tory leadership got to do with an Irish referendum?
You realise that the partition of Ireland took place over 100 years ago, so the Tories aren't running it, focus on the UK's current clownfest and think back as to why we've had them ruining the country for so long.