Let the mud slinging

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If Liz wins, the promotional photography budget will go through the roof

[malvolio]

Ah yes, how could poor Boris achieve anything better than the ver ready deal that he did, what with a hung parliament and no support from the press.

...except he had an 80 seat majority, but still it's the fault of the May, the Civil Service and Lindsay Hoyle. Is the PM not responsible for anything, apart from apportioning the blame?

You really need to learn to read what people are writing, I know it's hard to understand, but your reply has nothing to do with my original point. And, just for the record, the Civil Service and the Speaker were the same people throughout the whole end-to-end negotiation.

It would also help if you stopped taking everything politicians say as the absolute truth: most of the time they are simply catchy soundbites to appeal to the press and the hard of thinking, and the real meaning is usually a bit further down.

It would also help to separate the person from the historical facts. Like achieving an 80 seat majority. You think Starmer or Davey can manage that, for instance?

[SueEllen]

If Liz wins, the promotional photography budget will go through the roof

I prefer the Splash for PM.

You don't have to hear or see her loads...

[Uncle Albert]

I don't' think he was either, tbh. He prepared responses to the vote for both options and only chose which side to go with once the vote was in. Is that pragmatism at work, or opportunism?

Either way, given the hand he was given by the timid and vacillating May, the Civil Service resistance and the frankly unacceptable machinations of the Squeaker, he did a remarkable job to get it achieved.

Um... he campaigned for leave. He was the face of leave. He had a bus. Yes he would have wriggled back if remain had won but you can't possibly say that he hadn't nailed his colours to the leave mast.

[d000hg]

Um... he campaigned for leave. He was the face of leave. He had a bus. Yes he would have wriggled back if remain had won but you can't possibly say that he hadn't nailed his colours to the leave mast.

Unless Mal is talking before the referendum was announced but I can't remember that far back

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Penny has brought her personalised numberplate

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Nadhim Zahawi is using NZ4PM as his leadership election tag. If you click on http://NZ4PM.com you are redirected to Penny Mordaunt’s leadership home page. Comedy gold. You gotta love this contest

Tested and verified:

[malvolio]

Can someone explain why it is necessary to have a public-facing campaign full of outdated imagery and gung-ho rhetoric when the only people that matter and have a say in the election are the 350-odd (some very odd) MPs and towards the end the 200k signed up Tory Party members - a lot of whom are already working in the constituencies anyway?

And if you're going to have a website, something a little more statesmanlike (stateswomanlike?) is surely preferable.

[SueEllen]

Can someone explain why it is necessary to have a public-facing campaign full of outdated imagery and gung-ho rhetoric when the only people that matter and have a say in the election are the 350-odd (some very odd) MPs and towards the end the 200k signed up Tory Party members - a lot of whom are already working in the constituencies anyway?

And if you're going to have a website, something a little more statesmanlike (stateswomanlike?) is surely preferable.

It makes politics entertaining.

They haven't twigged yet that a lot more of the voters want and there is a need to go back to the eras were politics was far more about substance than style.

[d000hg]

You'd think the candidates would have a way to send their spiel directly to the party membership... but regardless right now it seems a bit daft because only 2 will ever need to.