Welcome to Gilead

[vetran]

Ahh but they were all evil...

Not sure that carries for the first born or the poor sods at the bottom of the red sea.

[ladymuck]

What role does a man have in abortion that isn't to tell a woman how she is feeling about having an unwanted pregnancy? Sadly, for most women having to consider an abortion their lived experience is that the man is not interested or has a vested interest that is not safe for the woman.

Domestic abuse from men withholding contraception and access to abortions, because by keeping wifey pregnant/looking after young children, she's less likely to leave. He doesn't care about the child or the woman but his needs must be considered!

Men who rape women, be they strangers or relatives. They don't care but their needs must be considered!

Most men have absolutely no concept the toll a pregnancy, wanted or otherwise, has on a woman's mind and body yet they feel they are 100% qualified to have their say and to impose their will.

If you truly cared then you would support the woman's decision not tell her what to do.

The statistics show what access to safe services offers but you say them like they are a bad thing. Could you imagine what would happen to those women if they weren't able to become one of the stats you're so horrified by? Back street abortions giving rise to infections and potential death (but then the woman deserves that fate), unwanted children being dumped on church doorsteps or neglected and taken into care? Is that the better alternative?

[vetran]

I was reading a indie article along those lines earlier today.


It appears this is the true reason -
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...emar-rcna35359

U.S. Rep. Mary Miller immediately drew fierce backlash on social media and elsewhere at a Saturday night rally with former President Donald Trump when she credited him for the Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade calling it a “victory for white life.”

“I want to thank you for the historic victory for white life in the Supreme Court yesterday,” Miller said, then raised her arms in an animated clap amid cheers from the crowd, which numbered in the thousands on a sweltering day in West Central Illinois.

Actually I was surprised to learn it was more likely to affect people of colour.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...or-end-of-roe/

Not all states report racial and ethnic data on abortion, but among those who do (29 states and D.C.), the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has found that a disproportionately high share are women of color. In 2019, the abortion rate for Black women was 23.8 per 1,000 women. For Hispanic women, it was 11.7 per 1,000. And for White women, it was 6.6 per 1,000.

I hadn't considered that.

[vetran]

What role does a man have in abortion that isn't to tell a woman how she is feeling about having an unwanted pregnancy? Sadly, for most women having to consider an abortion their lived experience is that the man is not interested or has a vested interest that is not safe for the woman.

Domestic abuse from men withholding contraception and access to abortions, because by keeping wifey pregnant/looking after young children, she's less likely to leave. He doesn't care about the child or the woman but his needs must be considered!

Men who rape women, be they strangers or relatives. They don't care but their needs must be considered!

Most men have absolutely no concept the toll a pregnancy, wanted or otherwise, has on a woman's mind and body yet they feel they are 100% qualified to have their say and to impose their will.

If you truly cared then you would support the woman's decision not tell her what to do.

The statistics show what access to safe services offers but you say them like they are a bad thing. Could you imagine what would happen to those women if they weren't able to become one of the stats you're so horrified by? Back street abortions giving rise to infections and potential death (but then the woman deserves that fate), unwanted children being dumped on church doorsteps or neglected and taken into care? Is that the better alternative?

OK any facts to support your assertions? Again dismissing half the parties based on gender and vague insults is not fair, there should be a law against that!

The abortions I know of personally, the fathers were involved the majority of times, they were neither abusive or uncaring . They were with their girlfriends and partners and whilst they were unhappy at the abortion happening they wished to support their ladies.

oh look someone who is actually trying to change the discussion.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49240582

Try reading what they have to say with an open mind.

[SueEllen]

OK any facts to support your assertions? Again dismissing half the parties based on gender and vague insults is not fair, there should be a law against that!

The abortions I know of personally, the fathers were involved the majority of times, they were neither abusive or uncaring . They were with their girlfriends and partners and whilst they were unhappy at the abortion happening they wished to support their ladies.

oh look someone who is actually trying to change the discussion.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49240582

Try reading what they have to say with an open mind.

Tell you what the man can have the baby - he can have it implanted in his womb.


Oh wait...

[vetran]

Tell you what the man can have the baby - he can have it implanted in his womb.

Did you read the link? the man volunteered to look after the baby rather than it be murdered at the whim of the woman and that is why he has a case.

[vetran]

What role does a man have in abortion that isn't to tell a woman how she is feeling about having an unwanted pregnancy? Sadly, for most women having to consider an abortion their lived experience is that the man is not interested or has a vested interest that is not safe for the woman.

Domestic abuse from men withholding contraception and access to abortions, because by keeping wifey pregnant/looking after young children, she's less likely to leave. He doesn't care about the child or the woman but his needs must be considered!

Men who rape women, be they strangers or relatives. They don't care but their needs must be considered!

Most men have absolutely no concept the toll a pregnancy, wanted or otherwise, has on a woman's mind and body yet they feel they are 100% qualified to have their say and to impose their will.

If you truly cared then you would support the woman's decision not tell her what to do.

The statistics show what access to safe services offers but you say them like they are a bad thing. Could you imagine what would happen to those women if they weren't able to become one of the stats you're so horrified by? Back street abortions giving rise to infections and potential death (but then the woman deserves that fate), unwanted children being dumped on church doorsteps or neglected and taken into care? Is that the better alternative?

These stats are horrific, by they way I am not telling people what to do just highlighting the fact something must be done. I assume I have a right to do that despite being the invisible sex?

https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/Digiti...46474NCJRS.pdf

ABORTION 75 % of Americans believe abortion should remain an option for all women. 4 In the United States, about 30% of all pregnancies end in abortion.6 In a single year, more than a million teenagers become pregnant. 6 40% of all American women become pregnant at least once before they tum 20. 40% of the teenagers who become pregnant choose to have an abortion. 6 25 % of all women and girls who receive abortions are under the age of 19.6 Nearly 70% of the women who obtain abortions in the U.S. are white.6 Il1inois Coalition Against Sexual Assault 81 % of women are unmarried at the time of the abortion.6 33% of the women obtaining abortions have family incomes of less than $11,000.6 Women of all religious backgrounds obtain abortions. 33 % are Catholic; 15 % defined themselves as bornagain Christians. 6

40% of all American women become pregnant at least once before they tum 20.

OMG?????

[SueEllen]

Did you read the link? the man volunteered to look after the baby rather than it be murdered at the whim of the woman and that is why he has a case.

Did he offer to carry it for 9 months and give birth to it with the risks that both entail?

Remember this - https://www.theguardian.com/society/...mesh-explainer

[SueEllen]

40% of all American women become pregnant at least once before they tum 20.

OMG?????

That's what happens when children especially teens don't get sex and relationship education.

Also they don't have as such wide access to contraceptives due to access and/or cost as in the UK and most places in Europe.

[ladymuck]

That's what happens when children especially teens don't get sex and relationship education.

Also they don't have as such wide access to contraceptives due to access and/or cost as in the UK and most places in Europe.

Absolutely this.