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Loving my wood burner. Where to get wood in bulk from?

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    #31
    If you are understand and care about the accelerated climate change we are witnessing, you will forget the wood burning idea quickly.

    Per therm of heat, wood is the worst. I think we will see wood used for burning rising in cost a lot over the next year.

    https://www.euro.who.int/__data/asse...lthImpacts.pdf

    Coal actually has less emissions than wood in terms of heat and longevity of the heat produced. The middle classes are being fooled by the appearance of rustic wood burning, thinking it's good for climate change. Gas is hugely more efficient and far less emissions per therm of heat, even when the extraction and overall process is added with an additional error margin.

    Be aware too that most brands of stove allow the release of various chemicals into the air in your home. The extraction process isn't 100% and is well below safety standards in most brands, unfortunately. Most people don't realise this until they start getting breathing issues or regular pneumonia.

    What is needed is better forms of wood for burning, because people are burning anything. People tend to judge mainly by cost, so I can only see normal residential wood for wood burning rising in price soon. The sheer number of people installing these wood burners suggests we will see major city and town pollution, perhaps the same as the old industrial days of coal use, because the overall temperature is warmer and more humid, which will result in any emissions potentially being captured in the lower atmosphere and causing yet more issues.

    Worryingly, wood burning stoves alone account for the majority of particular matter 2.5 (PM2.5) emissions in the UK, which sounds mad.

    https://www.which.co.uk/reviews/wood...n-aIPXC8g7lbu5

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p085478q
    Last edited by agentzero; 4 April 2022, 21:17.

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      #32
      Originally posted by agentzero View Post
      If you are understand and care about the accelerated climate change we are witnessing, you will forget the wood burning idea quickly.

      Per therm of heat, wood is the worst. I think we will see wood used for burning rising in cost a lot over the next year.

      https://www.euro.who.int/__data/asse...lthImpacts.pdf

      Coal actually has less emissions than wood in terms of heat and longevity of the heat produced. The middle classes are being fooled by the appearance of rustic wood burning, thinking it's good for climate change. Gas is hugely more efficient and far less emissions per therm of heat, even when the extraction and overall process is added with an additional error margin.

      Be aware too that most brands of stove allow the release of various chemicals into the air in your home. The extraction process isn't 100% and is well below safety standards in most brands, unfortunately. Most people don't realise this until they start getting breathing issues or regular pneumonia.

      What is needed is better forms of wood for burning, because people are burning anythinca ntg. People tend to judge mainly by cost, so I can only see normal residential wood for wood burning rising in price soon. The sheer number of people installing these wood burners suggests we will see major city and town pollution, perhaps the same as the old industrial days of coal use, because the overall temperature is warmer and more humid, which will result in any emissions potentially being captured in the lower atmosphere and causing yet more issues.

      Worryingly, wood burning stoves alone account for the majority of particular matter 2.5 (PM2.5) emissions in the UK, which sounds mad.
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      https://www.which.co.uk/revieca nws/...n-aIPXC8g7lbu5

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p085478q
      Sounds bollox to me. Wood is carbon neutral, trees grow and absorb Co2, burn them 90% is given back.
      "A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices," George Orwell

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        #33
        IKEA

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          #34
          Originally posted by Paddy View Post

          Sounds bollox to me. Wood is carbon neutral, trees grow and absorb Co2, burn them 90% is given back.
          Did you miss the bit about particulates? Or the fact that you have to grow trees as quickly as you burn them? A sustainable forest is a great carbon sink but do we have enough of those?

          In Scandinavia stoves are the norm, burning sustainably sourced local birch - but the stoves are incredibly efficient, the wood is properly dried (damp wood is war worse for pollution) and they have a gigantic area of forest for only ~5m population. It's not a global solution unless we plant a LOT more trees.
          Originally posted by MaryPoppins
          I'd still not breastfeed a nazi
          Originally posted by vetran
          Urine is quite nourishing

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            #35
            Originally posted by Paddy View Post

            Sounds bollox to me. Wood is carbon neutral, trees grow and absorb Co2, burn them 90% is given back.
            It's a truth that a lot of self righteous middle class people just don't want to hear.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Paddy View Post

              Sounds bollox to me. Wood is carbon neutral, trees grow and absorb Co2, burn them 90% is given back.
              Who needs science, when you instead can just make stuff up randomly.

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                #37
                Originally posted by agentzero View Post

                Who needs science, when you instead can just make stuff up randomly.
                https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart...ral-180968880/

                Stick that up your wind powered arsehole
                "A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices," George Orwell

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                  #38
                  Only if it's sustainably grown. Hence biomass which I already mentioned - you used to be able to get a sweet deal on such systems for just this reason.

                  Originally posted by MaryPoppins
                  I'd still not breastfeed a nazi
                  Originally posted by vetran
                  Urine is quite nourishing

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                    #39
                    Trees warm you four times:
                    Once when you plant them
                    Once when you cut them down
                    Once when you chop them up
                    Once when you burn them.
                    …Maybe we ain’t that young anymore

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                      #40
                      The carbon has to go somewhere unless you want to convert the whole planet to trees. If a tree decays it will release carbon its the circle of life.

                      Instead of only carbon dioxide and water vapour being created, incomplete combustion can result in the production of soot, smoke, and ash.
                      https://energyeducation.ca/encyclope...l%20was%20used.

                      So complete combustion is the aim, get the fire hot enough that no ash , smoke or soot is produced.

                      Wood ash is a collection of different sized particulates that are formed as a result of the combustion of wood. This ash is typically powdery and can be fairly useful due to its high content of a variety of minerals. Wood ash can be used to repel slugs and snails in gardens, de-skunk pets, melt ice, clean glass, enrich compost, and even shine silver.[5]
                      If you want to stop carbon dioxide production depopulation is pretty much the only answer.

                      Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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