Leaving for better money

[northernladuk]

I can't say the work is exiting, but is likely to be running solid the next 2 years outside ir35, no probs working fully remote all over europe

The new gig is less of a headache and more interesting, prob a bit more pressure, and very sensitive to lockdowns for finances.

And there is the unknown of duration with the new one so on the face of it I don't think I'd be jumping at this point but it's purely a personal decision. Just doesn't sound enough for me to be quitting a gig early but that's me.

[KentDogWalker]

And there is the unknown of duration with the new one so on the face of it I don't think I'd be jumping at this point but it's purely a personal decision. Just doesn't sound enough for me to be quitting a gig early but that's me.

yeah I think your right, always easier to bail at renewal and come back begging later...

than jumping now and begging later

[northernladuk]

You have never heard off offshoring?

I have watched whole factories / areas manned by teams of both contractors and long term employees packed up and sent abroad with the workers paid the absolute minimum redundancy. With the availability of cheaper resource from eastern Europe I saw whole teams replaced with Eastern Europeans in a few years. A few papers have actually covered these stories.

I have also seen teams replaced by a third party who is supporting another part of the business e.g. cleaning / cooking team so the client only has one supplier to manage again its been in the papers and everything.

Think bigger! Open YOUR eyes.

Its not just chasing the dollar its control as well.

That's not the same. Offshoring is a global strategy used by virtually every company. If everyone that got touched by that then the world would be mercenary. It's such a massive beast. You can't compare that to a contractor bailing for more money and you can't use it as an excuse to go totally mercenary and let every client down you touch. That's poor business. As bad as these builders/plumber analogies are it's better than using global offshoring.

Being angry at offshoring is akin to the Luddites thinking machinery was going to put them out of work. If you can't cope and make good money while it's going on then you go do something else instead.

[northernladuk]

yeah I think your right, always easier to bail at renewal and come back begging later...

than jumping now and begging later

Even then, coming back is a big ask. You declined the offer, the next guy in won't so unless you were absolutely epic at what you you can't expect any favours. That's business.

If it's still bothering you then before you jump at least speak to the client about the situation and see if they will up the rate and meet halfway or something. Many can't, some won't on principle but maybe some will. You don't know unless you ask.

[vetran]

That's not the same. Offshoring is a global strategy used by virtually every company. If everyone that got touched by that then the world would be mercenary. It's such a massive beast. You can't compare that to a contractor bailing for more money and you can't use it as an excuse to go totally mercenary and let every client down you touch. That's poor business. As bad as these builders/plumber analogies are it's better than using global offshoring.

OK you may feel that way, that is your lived truth.. but it does happen and it is effectively the client deciding to sack the local workers to save money. I have seen the first question to solve and cost problem be can we send it to India etc.

What about the other two examples I gave these were in smaller companies as well?

[ladymuck]

For me, jumping is about the opportunity rather than the cash. More money is nice but sometimes the cost isn't worth it.

I like to finish a project where possible but sometimes you get stuck on multi-year projects that feel never ending and I don't worry so much about leaving those when I get bored.

Make sure what you're jumping to is a dead cert though.

[vetran]

For me, jumping is about the opportunity rather than the cash. More money is nice but sometimes the cost isn't worth it.

I like to finish a project where possible but sometimes you get stuck on multi-year projects that feel never ending and I don't worry so much about leaving those when I get bored.

Make sure what you're jumping to is a dead cert though.

all for finishing a project but car crash ones that are broken because the bosses are mad its not worth the pain.

[northernladuk]

OK you may feel that way, that is your lived truth.. but it does happen and it is effectively the client deciding to sack the local workers to save money. I have seen the first question to solve and cost problem be can we send it to India etc.

What about the other two examples I gave these were in smaller companies as well?

I just don't see those as in the same league as a client shafting an individual contractor on the work they are doing or where the contractor leaving shafts the client. Outsourcing to a better model is just business and we are part of that business. We work with the companies they outsource to as well. Many people on here are contracted to a consultancy offering the managed service that might have replaced the work the contractor was doing..

But work we are doing? We come in to fill a skill set the client hasn't got. If you are doing work in a area that is readily being outsourced then maybe you need to up your game? We've made a good living working with the very clients you say are putting us out of work and I am sure there is still much still to be made from it. A client outsourcing/shifting work etc isn't the same as dumping individuals and vice versa for a few more dollars. There is a point that chasing the money can be bad business on both sides..

If you are a middle level perm or a crap contractor then you need to be worried about offshoring but if you are a good contractor it's not stopped us earning yet and it's been going on for decades now. And you can't go hating on a client because of their strategy. IMO you look at the work they are offering you and do business on that level.

Yeah it would be better if they didn't outsource but they do so learn and adapt. I don't think includes going all mercenary and having a F you attitude to every single client.

[vetran]

I just don't see those as in the same league as a client shafting an individual contractor on the work they are doing or where the contractor leaving shafts the client. Outsourcing to a better model is just business and we are part of that business. We work with the companies they outsource to as well. Many people on here are contracted to a consultancy offering the managed service that might have replaced the work the contractor was doing..

But work we are doing? We come in to fill a skill set the client hasn't got. If you are doing work in a area that is readily being outsourced then maybe you need to up your game? We've made a good living working with the very clients you say are putting us out of work and I am sure there is still much still to be made from it. A client outsourcing/shifting work etc isn't the same as dumping individuals and vice versa for a few more dollars. There is a point that chasing the money can be bad business on both sides..

If you are a middle level perm or a crap contractor then you need to be worried about offshoring but if you are a good contractor it's not stopped us earning yet and it's been going on for decades now. And you can't go hating on a client because of their strategy. IMO you look at the work they are offering you and do business on that level.

Yeah it would be better if they didn't outsource but they do so learn and adapt. I don't think includes going all mercenary and having a F you attitude to every single client.

I wasn't the one being outsourced. I just turned up to sites that had had hundreds of local workers and a full car park a few years ago and I visit late and asked where did the workforce go? because now there are 3 cars in a 200 space car park.

They did the similar replacing an existing workforce with Eastern Europeans.

This is multiple companies of varying sizes.

So preaching morals is a waste of time. Your accountant will tell you that.

[northernladuk]

I wasn't the one being outsourced. I just turned up to sites that had had hundreds of local workers and a full car park a few years ago and I visit late and asked where did the workforce go? because now there are 3 cars in a 200 space car park.

They did the similar replacing an existing workforce with Eastern Europeans.

This is multiple companies of varying sizes.

So preaching morals is a waste of time. Your accountant will tell you that.

I'm not preaching morals, just pointing out the difference between a mercenary contractor jumping from gig to gig and clients carrying out outsourcing/offshoring activities. They are worlds apart and can't be compared when making a decision on what to do.