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    I want your wallet

    Contactless limit has gone up to £100 and you can't control it unless you are with some banks. So it's great for the light fingered.

    https://metro.co.uk/2021/10/15/conta...-100-15426243/

    Shoppers can now make payments up to £100 with a single tap of their card.

    The £45 limit on contactless card payments was more than doubled today, but you may need to wait ‘days, weeks, or even months’ before all shops update their machines.

    It marks the fifth time the limit has been raised, after it was initially set at £10 in 2007.

    The limit was increased to £45 in April 2020, early on in the pandemic.

    Some shops restricted people’s ability to pay with cash during the crisis, although research suggests the risk of catching Covid from banknotes is low.

    Between January and July, 60% of all debit and credit card transactions across the UK were contactless.






    This accounted for 6.6 billion payments, with a value of £81.4 billion.

    Figures also show that, in 2016, just 7% of all payments, including cash, were made using contactless cards.

    By 2018 this had increased to nearly one in five (19%) transactions and by 2020 more than a quarter (27%) of all payments were being made using contactless cards.

    Some banks will allow people to set their own contactless card limits at less than £100, or turn off contactless altogether.

    David Postings, chief executive of UK Finance, said: ‘The new £100 limit offers customers greater choice about how they pay for things like their weekly shop or a tank of fuel.

    ‘Contactless payments have become increasingly popular, and the payments industry has worked hard to ensure retailers are able to offer customers the new higher limit.’

    The decision to raise the contactless limit from £45 to £100 was made by the Treasury and the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA).

    However, the move has raised some concerns about the potential for fraud.

    People should always contact their bank immediately if their card is lost or stolen or they notice any strange transactions on their account.

    Sarah Pennells, consumer finance specialist at Royal London, said: ‘Although fraud on contactless cards is relatively low level, it can be distressing to those who experience it.

    ‘You should treat your contactless card the same way as you’d treat cash in your pocket, so be careful when you use it and don’t give it to anyone else.’


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    #2
    I don't think this is a particularly good idea. £45 is more than enough.

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      #3
      Lloyds, Halifax and Bank of Scotland let you set a limit between £45-100.
      "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

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        #4
        Originally posted by ladymuck View Post
        I don't think this is a particularly good idea. £45 is more than enough.
        I would agree. This steady 'progress' is opening new issues I don't think we'll be ready for. If there was a problem people using stolen contactless for £45 then the temptation has just doubled. The benefit vs the increased risks and problems just isn't worth it IMO.. That said my 20 year old thinks it's bloody great through. He rarely takes a card/wallet around and does it all on his phone so even less reason to do so so can see why some people think it's good.

        I can't believe many retailers, particularly smaller ones will be happy about this will they?
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          #5
          weird that turned an edit into a quote. 2nd time that has happened.

          The fraud manager of TSB was on LBC this morning. He said that the bank will cover losses (after notification only I suspect and Mr Ferrari sad his experience had required some strong discussions with the bank) and that they proactively look at purchases and prompt for a pin on a per transaction count (I find its usually 1 in 10 taps) or on transaction type/venue.

          So if Sue Ellen spends £100 in the offy or "cats are us" they go "yep that's normal" but if she signs up for a fitness class they prompt for a pin.

          ASDA and Tesco now have cameras on the self serve kiosks (where I assume much of the fraud is perpetrated, maybe if they took a photo at the time of tapping that would help prevent it. Though it would mean lending your card to the kids so they can get milk would probably have to stop.

          My understanding is that lots of banks are letting both customers and retailers set their own limits. I suspect retailers have to help cover the cost of Fraud so may well leave their terminals set at £45. I intend to set my limit to £50 when my banks allow me. Many banks allow you to turn off contactless payments if you want.
          Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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            #6
            I remember the tone had changed over the self service tills at the last retailer I was at. They were the best thing since sliced bread at first with savings abound and last grumblings I heard were more like a necessary evil. The cost of putting cameras on them, managing aging kit, the fraud, the ability to walk out with your basket etc particularly in the smaller stores with only two or three were pushing the cash benefits.

            They were trialing pay in isle on the phones apps and just said no to that. One step too far for now.

            Dunno if it's just me working with these systems but I it gives me a different view on them. Customers generally say wow great, first thing I think about is the cost, fraud and all the other issues.
            'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!

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              #7
              Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
              I remember the tone had changed over the self service tills at the last retailer I was at. They were the best thing since sliced bread at first with savings abound and last grumblings I heard were more like a necessary evil. The cost of putting cameras on them, managing aging kit, the fraud, the ability to walk out with your basket etc particularly in the smaller stores with only two or three were pushing the cash benefits.

              They were trialing pay in isle on the phones apps and just said no to that. One step too far for now.

              Dunno if it's just me working with these systems but I it gives me a different view on them. Customers generally say wow great, first thing I think about is the cost, fraud and all the other issues.
              Possibly their decision to use the self service tills so they can reduce staff may be a part of that?

              8-16 SS tills and one member of staff is normal.


              Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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                #8
                Originally posted by vetran View Post

                Possibly their decision to use the self service tills so they can reduce staff may be a part of that?

                8-16 SS tills and one member of staff is normal.
                Yeah for sure but the benefits will have been eaten away with the camera, age of kit and fraud. Smaller retails can't be saving much when they've only two or three. Generally much better for the customers though of course.
                'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by northernladuk View Post

                  Yeah for sure but the benefits will have been eaten away with the camera, age of kit and fraud. Smaller retails can't be saving much when they've only two or three. Generally much better for the customers though of course.
                  except of course when they close all the normal tills and you have to queue behind someone who unloads their trolley like they are towing a caravan on a single track road.
                  Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by northernladuk View Post

                    I would agree. This steady 'progress' is opening new issues I don't think we'll be ready for. If there was a problem people using stolen contactless for £45 then the temptation has just doubled. The benefit vs the increased risks and problems just isn't worth it IMO.. That said my 20 year old thinks it's bloody great through. He rarely takes a card/wallet around and does it all on his phone so even less reason to do so so can see why some people think it's good.

                    I can't believe many retailers, particularly smaller ones will be happy about this will they?
                    Using a phone is more secure than a card. It's a sensible choice as you still have to authenticate on the phone to authorise the transaction, either with Face ID or the Pin number, regardless of the amount involved.
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