What kind of Tory are you?

[Gibbon]

What chance to kids born to parents with (say) substance abuse or other crippling problems have?

They can become deputy leader of the Labour party.

[ladymuck]

Hmm, that sounds quite interesting. Must look out for it.

I assumed is was some fancy coffee, like those beans extracted from civet cat droppings!

https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/glossary...-nero-glossary

[SueEllen]

They can become deputy leader of the Labour party.

No they can't unless they were a single mother at 16.

[Gibbon]

No they can't unless they were a single mother at 16.

That's hardly further restricting access in many parts of the country!

[Jog On]

This post title is creaming out for a poll

[Whorty]

i'm more a noncontribuTory

You certainly add no value on here, that's for sure

[vetran]

There was a quote that exemplified my understanding of traditional conservatives. Sorry I cant remember the source.

"Those that subsidise ignorance and poverty get more of both"

The Conservatives want to fix it by encouraging people out of poverty Labour want to subsidise it.

Hard work and attitude goes a long way to getting people out of poverty. Plenty of hard working miners with no jobs, but their peers got on their bike and worked round the world. Pretty sure most of them didn't have a silver spoon, my Yorkshire manager 25 years ago never claimed to be a duke!

[SueEllen]

That's hardly further restricting access in many parts of the country!

They are only allowed to have one child though so that cuts the numbers down.

[d000hg]

Hard work and attitude goes a long way to getting people out of poverty. Plenty of hard working miners with no jobs, but their peers got on their bike and worked round the world. Pretty sure most of them didn't have a silver spoon, my Yorkshire manager 25 years ago never claimed to be a duke!

I'm not sure exactly when it was, but some of the mine owners were responsible for encouraging positive reforms - the idea of a mine worker (voluntarily) spending 3 hours a night at school after a 12 hour shift is pretty amazing but it did happen. A lot of people got out of those jobs.

[Scoobos]

There was a quote that exemplified my understanding of traditional conservatives. Sorry I cant remember the source.

"Those that subsidise ignorance and poverty get more of both"

The Conservatives want to fix it by encouraging people out of poverty Labour want to subsidise it.

Hard work and attitude goes a long way to getting people out of poverty. Plenty of hard working miners with no jobs, but their peers got on their bike and worked round the world. Pretty sure most of them didn't have a silver spoon, my Yorkshire manager 25 years ago never claimed to be a duke!

I don't know why, but comments like this always make me see an ignorance for the fact that LUCK has a lot to do with life. Where you are born, who to and with what health conditions. hard work and attitude can go a long way - but not necessarily enough in a lot of situations.

I see it as a deep rooted belief that everyone's born with equal opportunity and if people fail or cannot succeed, its down to a lack of effort.

Nearly 18% of universal credit recipients, that some love so much to demonise, are disabled and totally unable to work. 14.1 million people living with a disability in this country, 4.4 are in work, 8 are totally unable to - and the juries out on the other.

Now you try "working hard" when under Universal credit on those terms - and see how far it gets you. That's just 1 example , children in abusive households are very common.