They really don't understand sovereignty do they?

[vetran]

https://www.epexspot.com/en/market-data

The will of the people.

Where the heck did we find negotiators that were better than the French? Apparently our lot couldn't close a deal to save their life - well according to 48% of voters...

[NotAllThere]

I believe the Aussies explicitly asked for a diesel-electric platform. But, yes, the French have nuclear sub technology.

Yes. I know the French have nuclear sub technology, and the Aussies asked for diesel electric. The question is whether the French would have been willing to share their nuclear technology has the Aussies asked. The implication of a number of reports is that they wouldn't, so when Australia decided nuke subs would be better at combating the Chinese threat, they had to turn to the US and UK.

[jamesbrown]

Yes. I know the French have nuclear sub technology, and the Aussies asked for diesel electric. The question is whether the French would have been willing to share their nuclear technology has the Aussies asked. The implication of a number of reports is that they wouldn't, so when Australia decided nuke subs would be better at combating the Chinese threat, they had to turn to the US and UK.

No, I think that's wrong. I don't think the French were unwilling to offer it. I think the Aussies wanted Diesel-Electric because, at the time the contract was negotiated, they didn't believe they had the expertise to operate nuclear subs independently. The French platform is nevertheless a bit naff when compared to the UK/US platform, I gather.

[NotAllThere]

No, I think that's wrong. I don't think the French were unwilling to offer it. I think the Aussies wanted Diesel-Electric because, at the time the contract was negotiated, they didn't believe they had the expertise to operate nuclear subs independently.

Fair enough.

The French platform is nevertheless a bit naff when compared to the UK/US platform, I gather.

Horses for courses. Diesel/electric, when on electric it's essentially silent. Problem is you have to refuel, and normally you have to surface to recharge the batteries. Nuclear has a heat signature and not as quiet as electric, but can run for decades.

[eek]

Fair enough.

Horses for courses. Diesel/electric, when on electric it's essentially silent. Problem is you have to refuel, and normally you have to surface to recharge the batteries. Nuclear has a heat signature and not as quiet as electric, but can run for decades.

Except French nuclear subs need to be refuelled every 10 years

[jamesbrown]

Fair enough.

Horses for courses. Diesel/electric, when on electric it's essentially silent. Problem is you have to refuel, and normally you have to surface to recharge the batteries. Nuclear has a heat signature and not as quiet as electric, but can run for decades.

No, I meant the French nuclear platform is a bit naff when compared to the UK/US one - I gather that the Barracuda class French sub needs to be refueled every 10 years whereas the UK/US sub has a core life equal to the lifetime of the vessel.

[jamesbrown]

Except French nuclear subs need to be refuelled every 10 years

Yup, that's what I was referring to.