DOOM: Gulf Stream collapse

[Lost It]

At what point would you believe that climate change is real ? Melting ice caps, burning forests in many countries, floods in many countries, storms of higher intensity, new records of higher temperature everywhere are these not good enough for you ? Maybe by the time most folks realize the calamities of climate change it will be too late to do anything.

I don't doubt it's real but I do not believe it's "caused" by humans driving around in gas guzzling Jaguars and Ferraris. Or flying around the planet on pointless journeys to sun soaked islands. All of those "petrochemicals" were already on the planet.

It's too "short term" when the planet evolves in hundreds of thousands of years, these "specialists" are trying to use data they have collected over a couple of years to "prove" something. That cannpt be proven.

When we know from Geological data that the planet has been much hotter than it is now, and much colder (tropical forests that eventually died and turned into coal seams for one example, Ice age rocks in the middle of valleys in Yorkshire for another example).
All this "energy" we are putting out was already there beforehand, you cannot create new energy, or destroy it, all you can do is change it from one form to another. It was something that ate carbon and sunlight that eventually over millions of years turned into something else. It's always been there. Except maybe in the case of nuclear energy?

Plenty of theories out there. If the planet gets too warm the oceans rather than getting deeper will evaporate more water vapour and create clouds which will reflect sunlight. Ice takes up more "space" than water and most of it is under the surface so if it all melts won't the levels of the oceans drop rather than rise?
Land is being "forced down" by the weight of ice, when it melts won't the land rise up out of the sea?
Who knows.

Similar things have happened in the past when Volcanoes have thrown huge piles of ash into the atmosphere, it cooled the planet, killed off crops etc.
Doesn't make any sense to me that the human race is creating all this supposed warming. Hasn't been happening long enough for any real meaningful data. A few half decent volcanic eruptions could cool the planet enough to give us concerns about failing crops. Stop the planet using sunlight to photosynthesize the CO2 back into Oxygen and carbon based energy holders. Wouldn't take much on a global scale.

For instance we have no idea how quickly the planet warmed up last time, we have no idea really how much higher the Oxygen level was when the planet was totally greened up do we? Or how much the CO2 level was cut back by all the greenery. But some people can get away with blaming digging coal out, burning it and boring for oil... Sounds a bit to convenient to me. The next best thing, dig even more holes to get Lithium out of the floor to make batteries. Yes that's a perfectly sensible TCO project isn't it... Chase the money on that one as well.

Really we know nothing, we as a sentient race haven't been on the planet long enough...But there are a lot of people relying on "Global Warming" to bring a wage home I'd suggest.

[vetran]

I don't doubt it's real but I do not believe it's "caused" by humans driving around in gas guzzling Jaguars and Ferraris. Or flying around the planet on pointless journeys to sun soaked islands. All of those "petrochemicals" were already on the planet.

It's too "short term" when the planet evolves in hundreds of thousands of years, these "specialists" are trying to use data they have collected over a couple of years to "prove" something. That cannpt be proven.

When we know from Geological data that the planet has been much hotter than it is now, and much colder (tropical forests that eventually died and turned into coal seams for one example, Ice age rocks in the middle of valleys in Yorkshire for another example).
All this "energy" we are putting out was already there beforehand, you cannot create new energy, or destroy it, all you can do is change it from one form to another. It was something that ate carbon and sunlight that eventually over millions of years turned into something else. It's always been there. Except maybe in the case of nuclear energy?

Plenty of theories out there. If the planet gets too warm the oceans rather than getting deeper will evaporate more water vapour and create clouds which will reflect sunlight. Ice takes up more "space" than water and most of it is under the surface so if it all melts won't the levels of the oceans drop rather than rise?
Land is being "forced down" by the weight of ice, when it melts won't the land rise up out of the sea?
Who knows.

Similar things have happened in the past when Volcanoes have thrown huge piles of ash into the atmosphere, it cooled the planet, killed off crops etc.
Doesn't make any sense to me that the human race is creating all this supposed warming. Hasn't been happening long enough for any real meaningful data. A few half decent volcanic eruptions could cool the planet enough to give us concerns about failing crops. Stop the planet using sunlight to photosynthesize the CO2 back into Oxygen and carbon based energy holders. Wouldn't take much on a global scale.

For instance we have no idea how quickly the planet warmed up last time, we have no idea really how much higher the Oxygen level was when the planet was totally greened up do we? Or how much the CO2 level was cut back by all the greenery. But some people can get away with blaming digging coal out, burning it and boring for oil... Sounds a bit to convenient to me. The next best thing, dig even more holes to get Lithium out of the floor to make batteries. Yes that's a perfectly sensible TCO project isn't it... Chase the money on that one as well.

Really we know nothing, we as a sentient race haven't been on the planet long enough...But there are a lot of people relying on "Global Warming" to bring a wage home I'd suggest.

For goodness sake don't you understand the sky is falling in and people are making money out of it.

Logic doesn't work for the chicken littles. Ice ages never happened, global droughts are a mirage and Gilgamesh never learnt to swim.

As I said we may be poisoning the world but its doubtful we are destroying it, the world will shake it off and cockroaches will become the master race.

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I don't doubt it's real but I do not believe it's "caused" by humans driving around in gas guzzling Jaguars and Ferraris. Or flying around the planet on pointless journeys to sun soaked islands. All of those "petrochemicals" were already on the planet.

It's too "short term" when the planet evolves in hundreds of thousands of years, these "specialists" are trying to use data they have collected over a couple of years to "prove" something. That cannpt be proven.

Please try to be less obvious a troll.