Covid - actually Boris may emerge as vaguely competent.

[vetran]

We will soon find out how Vauxhall-Zeneca compares to mRNA “ML63” vaccines

And we will probably improve AZ vaccine to cope. You know the flu vaccine is redesigned every year to cover new mutations?

[AtW]

And we will probably improve AZ vaccine to cope. You know the flu vaccine is redesigned every year to cover new mutations

VZ is not as efficient in preventing transmissions, plus blood-clots and all bad PR that basically killed it for non-third world countries.

It will be Pfized-out by autumn

[vetran]

VZ is not as efficient in preventing transmissions, plus blood-clots and all bad PR that basically killed it for non-third world countries.

It will be Pfized-out by autumn

at 10 times the cost per dose?

https://www.theweek.co.uk/951750/wha...-who-pays-what

The very rare blood clot issue the Germans reckon they understand why AZ suffers that so that may be fixed as well.

[AtW]

at 10 times the cost per dose?

Yes - 30 bucks instead of 3, so 3.6 bln for two-dozes for whole of UK vs 360 mln.

Now factor in cost of lockdown due to lower efficacy of VZ.

1 in 100k isn’t very rare.

[vetran]

Yes - 30 bucks instead of 3, so 3.6 bln for two-dozes for whole of UK vs 360 mln.

Now factor in cost of lockdown due to lower efficacy of VZ.

1 in 100k isn’t very rare.

Are you saying other similar first world countries have had much less stringent lockdowns?

You are right <1/10,000 is very rare according to who/CIOMS. 1/100,000 must be Very Very Rare.

https://www.halmed.hr/en/Farmakovigi...jeka-u-promet/

[AtW]

Being killed in an air crash risk is very rare - 1 in 11,000,000 in USA.

1 in 100k isn’t very rare, it’s just much better odds than death from Covid.

[Scoobos]

As pointed out the USA, Belgium and France are near our situation on deaths per capita are they totally incompetent as well?

Really, the USA response wasn't incompetent, they were worse than us. (In my view the quad of deniers - UK, USA, Brazil and SA have a lot to answer to).

elgium is a strange one, but measuring it on deaths per capita is playing with figures.

If you genuinely believe that our response has not been incompetent we just have to beg to differ. We had since Feb to sort out PPE , did nothing, we had since March 2020 to sort out testing and tracing and we spent all that chasing PPE then lifted restrictions before we are ready. Which we will repeat again here. Test and trace HAS to work , or we need social distancing of some sort. Relying on everyone having 33% to 60% protection against a virus that no longer appears to be a slow mutant is another big risk.

Do go out, dont go out. ALL restrictions (including masks, social distancing the lot) by 12th June is INSANE. Sure try go back to normal with a working test and trace system, but still have masks for a while etc till you measure whats happening. Test and trace doesnt work at all, else the Indian variant wouldn't have taken hold as it has.

Remember, we can shout from the rooftops about 24 million people having a first vaccine, but right now, that vaccine would NOT have passed as good enough with 33% protection against the Covid we have now.

We are STILL gambling.

[Scoobos]

Yes - 30 bucks instead of 3, so 3.6 bln for two-dozes for whole of UK vs 360 mln.

Now factor in cost of lockdown due to lower efficacy of VZ.

1 in 100k isn’t very rare.

Sorry AtW , but in clinical terms 1 in 100K is "very rare"

"Very rare affects less than 1 in 10,000 people – i.e. risk is less than 0.01% "

[AtW]

Sorry AtW , but in clinical terms 1 in 100K is "very rare"

"Very rare affects less than 1 in 10,000 people – i.e. risk is less than 0.01% "

I am not talking about clinical terms, obviously.

[ladymuck]

I am not talking about clinical terms, obviously.

No, you're making it up, but the only way to compare like with like is to use clinical terms not what you think.