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    #11
    When the 'sane' left push that the tories killed 130,000 with benefits policy...

    Austerity to blame for 130,000 ‘preventable’ UK deaths – report | Health policy | The Guardian

    and 130,000 pandemic deaths are down to them as well...

    The Guardian view on Britain's pandemic record: a monument to failure | Editorial | The Guardian

    Where do they have left to go? It's going to have to be cannibalism or something

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      #12
      Originally posted by _V_ View Post

      Policy should be around

      Stopping ALL immigration except for very high earners and the highly educated
      Investing in a LOT of new social housing
      Investing in a LOT of free training and vocational skills
      Better GP healthcare (you can actually see a proper GP when you need to)
      Not talking about the EU, the harm Brexit is doing, rejoining the EU in any way
      No more woke stuff (they don't care about Climate Change, Veganism, bending the knee, having 100+ genders)
      Much cheaper booze

      This is the sort of thing the mostly white working / underclass traditional Labour voters WANT.

      The irony being that they'll get none of that with the Tories - and I think many of us are going to be in for a shock with regards to immigration, which is the one thing you might think they would tackle (although quite why anyone would think that, after 11 years of this government..).
      People might not be interested in climate change, but they should be - unfortunately it is not an easy political sell, so we are stuffed.

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        #13
        Originally posted by _V_ View Post

        Policy should be around

        Stopping ALL immigration except for very high earners and the highly educated
        Investing in a LOT of new social housing
        Investing in a LOT of free training and vocational skills
        Better GP healthcare (you can actually see a proper GP when you need to)
        Not talking about the EU, the harm Brexit is doing, rejoining the EU in any way
        No more woke stuff (they don't care about Climate Change, Veganism, bending the knee, having 100+ genders)
        Much cheaper booze

        This is the sort of thing the mostly white working / underclass traditional Labour voters WANT.

        Indeed managed immigration is a must, not just cheap labour.

        New social housing is not enough we need more houses so those that don't qualify for social housing can afford to rent or buy.

        Like benefits I believe social housing should be a safety net not a way so employers can pay less wages because people have subsidised housing.

        plenty of affordable training. Free where it essential.

        Lets fix costs & outcomes etc in the NHS and prove we are doing a good job. I have had good telephone consultations with medical professionals and frequently they are much quicker for both sides.

        Mostly I have no problem tackling what you call woke stuff, it is important. However they need to do it based on data not feelings.

        Lets tackle Police Brutality, racism and effectiveness in the UK and prove we are doing a good job. Frankly the US is fried.

        Lets point out the continent most happily involved in the slave trade and longest was Africa, their biggest & longest customer were the Arabs. Lets remind people that slavery was legal and we need to leave history alone.

        Lets solve green issues by becoming the best at the technology and selling it around the world. It can be cheaper as well.

        Lets be sensitive about gender issues but lets not give rapists access to women's prisons by obtaining a £5 gender certificate.

        Lets deal with domestic violence caused by all genders.

        etc.

        Data driven government anyone?
        "If you didn't do anything that wasn't good for you it would be a very dull life. What are you gonna do? Everything that is pleasant in life is dangerous."

        I want to see the hand of history on his collar.

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          #14
          Originally posted by vetran View Post



          Sentient AI based government anyone?
          Is the only outcome that makes sense.
          First Law of Contracting: Only the strong survive

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            #15
            Maybe they don't want to win.

            Who the hell would want to run the country at the moment. Have to a complete idiot.

            Like the one's we have at the moment.

            Labour will parachute David Miliband back, in time for the next GE. To sort out the turd fest which will be the UK by 2024.

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              #16
              Originally posted by _V_ View Post

              Is the only outcome that makes sense.
              Make more sense than putting Mandleslime or Cummings in charge.
              "If you didn't do anything that wasn't good for you it would be a very dull life. What are you gonna do? Everything that is pleasant in life is dangerous."

              I want to see the hand of history on his collar.

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                #17
                Originally posted by mallisarealperson View Post
                To sort out the turd fest which will be the UK by 2024.
                You mean fully vaccinated, enjoying a massive recovery ahead of the EU, without yellow vest protests daily UK?
                "If you didn't do anything that wasn't good for you it would be a very dull life. What are you gonna do? Everything that is pleasant in life is dangerous."

                I want to see the hand of history on his collar.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by vetran View Post

                  You mean fully vaccinated, enjoying a massive recovery ahead of the EU, without yellow vest protests daily UK?


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                    #19
                    There's a sizable chunk of the electorate that still loves him.

                    But the Tory party and MP's in particular - that's a different matter.

                    He now has 2 factions in the party - the Southern, well-off Tories who hate to put their hands in their pockets for anything other than Tory donations to keep taxes and worker's rights as low as possible, and the Northern 'red-wall' seats who are expecting him to make good on his promises and flash the cash in their direction.

                    Something is going to have to give in that situation, it may just be a couple of years before it does.

                    In the meantime, the Tory party could become the next reality tv show hit while they fight it out.
                    "I can put any old tat in my sig, put quotes around it and attribute to someone of whom I've heard, to make it sound true."
                    - Voltaire/Benjamin Franklin/Anne Frank...

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by mallisarealperson View Post


                      Do explain your vision. Link to reputable sources if you want.
                      "If you didn't do anything that wasn't good for you it would be a very dull life. What are you gonna do? Everything that is pleasant in life is dangerous."

                      I want to see the hand of history on his collar.

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