She has lost

[SueEllen]

So since when this became the new standard with harsh punishment applied to kids making stupid decisions?

The first mistake she made was doing it when she wasn't young enough to get sympathy from everyone.

The second mistake she made was showing absolutely no remorse. One of her lawyers has previously indicated they are involved in the case because legally everyone needs someone to defend them.

[vetran]

No-one in Britain until the hostile environment policy in 2012 had to prove they were a British citizen if they just stayed in the UK and didn't go abroad to get a job, rent a home etc.


Africa isn't a country it is a continent.

Even if you look at ones that are part of the Commonwealth not all of them were British colonies e.g. Rwanda, Mozambique. They just decided to become members of the Commonwealth after 1995. I doubt there citizens will rock up with their French/Portuguese accents claiming to be from a former British colony.

Also you are ignoring there are places like st Kitts and Nevis which didn't gain independence from UK until the early 1980s. Anyone who came from there to the UK before the countries became independent are British Citizens by default. There are newspaper reports of a guy who arrived here as a child just before St Kitts became independent so as a British citizen, who has been continually hounded by immigration claiming he has no right to be in the UK. Judges have repeatedly told the Home Office they are being ridiculous.

No until 2012 no one HAD to prove that they were a British citizen and illegal immigration is so bad even Baronesses had illegal cleaners, sooner or later we have to clean this up but no government had bothered until 2012.

Indeed Africa is a continent and its inhabitants can be referred to as Africans. The point I made almost anyone who can claim recent African heritage can attempt to claim to be part of the Windrush migration without paperwork, again how do we decide who is valid?

Europe is a geographic area and we call its inhabitants Europeans.

But enough whataboutery.

I am not forgetting the others the Government did.

[AtW]

Traitors have always been treated this way in the UK. We used to tear them limb from limb not just exile them.

Traitors or probably traitors?

How probably does one need to be to get extrajudicial punishment?

[SueEllen]

No until 2012 no one HAD to prove that they were a British citizen and illegal immigration is so bad even Baronesses had illegal cleaners, sooner or later we have to clean this up but no government had bothered until 2012.

Indeed Africa is a continent and its inhabitants can be referred to as Africans. The point I made almost anyone who can claim recent African heritage can attempt to claim to be part of the Windrush migration without paperwork, again how do we decide who is valid?

Europe is a geographic area and we call its inhabitants Europeans.

But enough whataboutery.

I am not forgetting the others the Government did.

The best story was the Home Offices cleaners who nearly all disappeared when the Home Office decided to check up on their right to reside in the UK.....

[AtW]

The first mistake she made was doing it when she wasn't young enough to get sympathy from everyone.

The second mistake she made was showing absolutely no remorse.

Was any of this illegal?

Did she get convicted for it in UK court?

[vetran]

Traitors or probably traitors?

How probably does one need to be to get extrajudicial punishment?

She has been refused the right to return for trial based on the UK's wish to protect itself. She has not been refused a trial.

If you needed to attend court and had previously misbehaved or were a risk to the public the Judge may ban you from the court for public safety or impose special conditions on your attendance (via video link) this is practical not a punishment. Why do so many assume any person has a right to go anywhere and do anything without restriction? Try walking onto any military base and find out how that goes.

I think she should be tried and if found guilty locked up in the UK as she is a UK citizen.

[AtW]

Pre-trial detention in Belmarsh isn’t good enough to protect the UK?

[vetran]

Pre-trial detention in Belmarsh isn’t good enough to protect the UK?

apparently not. Would that count as punishment?

[AtW]

apparently not

What’s the basis for this claim?

[vetran]

What’s the basis for this claim?

They haven't done it.