The Great Escape

[OwlHoot]

Two scientists, no matter how distinguished, giving their opinion, isn't proof. They are claiming it is evidence that the man-made theory is the most likely. For all we know, two other equally distinguished scientists may say - "don't be daft, that sequence appears loads of time.".

Until it's published in a peer reviewed journal, the best we non-virologists can do is hold uninformed opinions. It ain't fact yet.

In practice though it's not just about the science is it?

The "approved" opinion is also heavily influenced by politics, to the extent that dissenting opinions with equally sound supporting evidence have been scoffed at and actively suppressed!

[Paddy]

In practice though it's not just about the science is it?

The "approved" opinion is also heavily influenced by politics, to the extent that dissenting opinions with equally sound supporting evidence have been scoffed at and actively suppressed!

There are too many western people with vested interests in China and it is not in their interests to rock the boat. They have been sleeping during the past five years when extreme Chinese Nationalism has taken over so they now wear rose coloured spectacles.

[OwlHoot]

There are too many western people with vested interests in China and it is not in their interests to rock the boat. They have been sleeping during the past five years when extreme Chinese Nationalism has taken over so they now wear rose coloured spectacles.

Yep. What was it Lenin, or someone, pointed out about being able to sell capitalists the rope to hang themselves?

[NotAllThere]

In practice though it's not just about the science is it?

The "approved" opinion is also heavily influenced by politics, to the extent that dissenting opinions with equally sound supporting evidence have been scoffed at and actively suppressed!

The global warming conspiracy theorists just called and would like their fantasies back.

It's beginning to remind me of the 19th century astronomers who discovered canals on Mars. This was clear evidence of intelligent life.

This forum certainly doesn't have any.

[vetran]

This forum certainly doesn't have any.

we know a song about that!

[OwlHoot]

The global warming conspiracy theorists just called and would like their fantasies back. ..

I have no idea what that statement is supposed to convey.

In the context, it seems like just a glib, smartass way of saying essentially nothing.

[NotAllThere]

I have no idea what that statement is supposed to convey.

In the context, it seems like just a glib, smartass way of saying essentially nothing.

Oh sorry. It's a glib smartass way of saying that this is beginning to sound very like the conspiracy theories around man-made global warming.

[Paralytic]

Oh sorry. It's a glib smartass way of saying that this is beginning to sound very like the conspiracy theories around man-made global warming.

But with a bit less evidence.

[Paddy]

The following is a journal published in 2017 by Shi Zhengli, the head virologist at the Wuhan lab. The journal describes experiments on bats with SARS-Coronavirus. Shi Zhengli was trying to keep one step ahead by developing new strains of virus.

https://journals.plos.org/plospathog...l.ppat.1006698

Interesting New York Times Article

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/14/w...-lab-leak.html

[minestrone]

BREAKING: Chinese Defector's Identity Confirmed, Was Top Counterintelligence Official – RedState

There has been talk of this for weeks, they know it was leaked.