Nigel Farage warns Democrats: If you 'martyr' Donald Trump what follows 'could be ver

[Old Greg]

Trump is easy to explain. The USA voted for someone famous from a reality TV show who claims a $3bn fortune that largely doesn't exist, spent 5 years (including the campaign) telling lies about his opponents, his achievements and how great America was becoming while simultaneously buggering up the economy, failing to deal with Covid and ruining the USA's reputation across the world. Since this is a country where the majority don't have passports and their press doesn't bother to report on events outside the USA, it's easy to see why his support persists: people genuinely think he's doing the job he says he is, as opposed to the one he has been doing.

Add to that the very natural desire for other Republican politicians to retain their seats and hence their very lucrative power base, where we are now is very obvious. There are signs of a split in the party that may mean Trump isn't re-selected as a candidate in future, (although he has several equally appalling relatives who could be) but not that the impeachment is going to happen in the Senate.

Brexit is easy to explain. Examples include prawn cocktail crisps.

[d000hg]

Could we genuinely see a 3-party system emerge? I somehow don't see Trump wanting to spend another 4 years campaigning even if he can avoid legal challenges. But then the man seems to have boundless energy - for anyone let alone someone his age - so perhaps.

USA is really only an adolescent though, so could we see all this as growing pains?

[malvolio]

Trump is easy to explain. The USA voted for someone famous from a reality TV show who claims a $3bn fortune that largely doesn't exist, spent 5 years (including the campaign) telling lies about his opponents, his achievements and how great America was becoming while simultaneously buggering up the economy, failing to deal with Covid and ruining the USA's reputation across the world. Since this is a country where the majority don't have passports and their press doesn't bother to report on events outside the USA, it's easy to see why his support persists: people genuinely think he's doing the job he says he is, as opposed to the one he has been doing.

Add to that the very natural desire for other Republican politicians to retain their seats and hence their very lucrative power base, where we are now is very obvious. There are signs of a split in the party that may mean Trump isn't re-selected as a candidate in future, (although he has several equally appalling relatives who could be) but not that the impeachment is going to happen in the Senate.

[AtW]

It’s about role of personality in politics - some got much bigger talents to fook things up, so taking out Hitler would have made things better - that’s a note to my next time travel, and if you argue ever again about it then this argument will not have happened...

[BlasterBates]

Bollocks, I never implied that in the slightest. After 4 years of the clown in charge it was still a narrow victory, why are so many people voting for Trump is my point, and no I don't have the full answer. That needs sorting, btw can you vouch that every single one of the democrat voters is not disaffected?

You always have disaffected voters. Just check out any era. That's what democracy is all about. There's no magic recipe.

I think you'll find the "remoaniacs" in the UK consider themselves disaffected, but those advocating that politicians resolve the issues of "disaffected" voters only mean themselves. It's just a selfish attitude to politics, that needs to be confronted.

[vetran]

He argues that Trump should be left alone because of that



If Hitler was put into jail for 20 years for his beer putch then a lot of bad things would not have happened, same thing here.

You know it wasn't just Hitler? Even if they had taken him out of the game something would still have happened because of Public feeling. Possibly decades later but it needed to explode.

Who knows, we could have had the Goebbels or Drexler youth? They might even be more competent and subdued most of Europe before attacking Russia.

[AtW]

Bollocks, I never implied that in the slightest. After 4 years of the clown in charge it was still a narrow victory, why are so many people voting for Trump is my point, and no I don't have the full answer. That needs sorting, btw can you vouch that every single one of the democrat voters is not disaffected?

First past the post system that’s why - it leads to two party system, and if it so happens that extreme wings control them then you get Trump and Boris

[Gibbon]

What you seem to be implying is that the Democrats should now adopt Trump's policies. The 80 million Democrat voters are not disaffected by mainstream policies. In other words your view of how to treat the cancer is not shared by the Democrat voters.

In a democracy the losers should accept the result.

Bollocks, I never implied that in the slightest. After 4 years of the clown in charge it was still a narrow victory, why are so many people voting for Trump is my point, and no I don't have the full answer. That needs sorting, btw can you vouch that every single one of the democrat voters is not disaffected?

[SueEllen]

I will give him his due. He got Brexit vote through.

But a very dangerous guy. He reminds me of Hitler. He sounds great. But his thoughts are horrid.

There was that women in UKIP who was scarier as she sounded completely reasonable and sane with her vile. (She pops up on odd editions of Have I Got News For You.) Unfortunately for her and fortunately for us Farage got jealous and ensured she got kicked out of the party.

[SueEllen]

What you seem to be implying is that the Democrats should now adopt Trump's policies. The 80 million Democrat voters are not disaffected by mainstream policies. In other words your view of how to treat the cancer is not shared by the Democrat voters.

In a democracy the losers should accept the result.

When questioned some Democrat voters were voting to prevent Trump from getting a second term and thought voting for Biden was the least worse option.