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    #51
    The solution is simple - just build an induction charging network into our roads - no different to wireless charging a phone (*).

    * ok, maybe a little different.

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      #52
      Originally posted by Paralytic View Post
      The solution is simple - just build an induction charging network into our roads - no different to wireless charging a phone (*).

      * ok, maybe a little different.
      Yay, just what need - all the roads dug up for years on end.

      That said, that level of disruption is probably needed to make a decent level of change

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        #53
        In order to have all UK cars run electric, the UK will need to double the number of power stations and double the cabling capacity. Given the history of infrastructure failures, I don't see this happening.
        Last edited by Paddy; 7 December 2020, 12:08.
        "A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices," George Orwell

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          #54
          Originally posted by Paddy View Post
          In order to have all UK cars run electric, the UK will need to double the number of power stations and double the cabling capacity. Give the history of infrastructure failures, I don't see this happening.

          Precisely and replace the millions of cars in ~5 years

          Average Age of Cars in Great Britain | NimbleFins.

          in 2018 37% of cars were 6-13 years old.18% were >13 years old.

          I suspect lots of people will put off purchasing a car any time soon.
          Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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            #55
            Originally posted by Paddy View Post
            In order to have all UK cars run electric, the UK will need to double the number of power stations and double the cabling capacity. Give the history of infrastructure failures, I don't see this happening.
            I've always maintained that electric cars just move the pollution elsewhere. Yes, they will improve air quality in built-up areas but we're still pumping crud out of power stations to supply the energy. So we need to develop, and quickly, our clean energy infrastructure. The National Grid used to gear up for the mass turning on of kettles across the UK during the Corrie ad breaks. Now they'll have to gear up for daily car recharging at, say, 7pm. That's a far bigger mass draw on power than a million+ kettles.

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              #56
              Originally posted by ladymuck View Post
              I've always maintained that electric cars just move the pollution elsewhere. Yes, they will improve air quality in built-up areas but we're still pumping crud out of power stations to supply the energy. So we need to develop, and quickly, our clean energy infrastructure. The National Grid used to gear up for the mass turning on of kettles across the UK during the Corrie ad breaks. Now they'll have to gear up for daily car recharging at, say, 7pm. That's a far bigger mass draw on power than a million+ kettles.

              Well what makes the most sense is "economy 7 for car charging". Make the car chargers intelligent maybe add optical outputs on smart meters that allow the grid to control charging. That would allow you to plug in the car charger controller and you can pick "random minimum 4/8hr overnight charge", sometimes you might want to override this on the charger then pay the full price. This allows the Grid to charge you low rates to charge your car overnight but only when they predict spikes in generation.

              20:00-> 06:30 is the dip

              Fuel Mix and Carbon Intensity, Last 24 Hours

              and 8 hours full charge but 35 minutes for 100 miles.
              How Long Does It Take to Charge an Electric Car? | Pod Point.
              Last edited by vetran; 7 December 2020, 14:13.
              Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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                #57
                From the Graun: It's a long article, but worth a read.

                The curse of 'white oil': electric vehicles' dirty secret | News | The Guardian
                His heart is in the right place - shame we can't say the same about his brain...

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                  #58
                  We will have to import it from far flung places that will probably be hostile and living in 3rd World conditions.

                  Cornwall lithium deposits ''globally significant'' - BBC News
                  First Law of Contracting: Only the strong survive

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by _V_ View Post
                    We will have to import it from far flung places that will probably be hostile and living in 3rd World conditions.

                    Cornwall lithium deposits ''globally significant'' - BBC News
                    It's potentially good news, but it sounds too much like the fracking process, and the environmental protests will go on for decades.
                    His heart is in the right place - shame we can't say the same about his brain...

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by vetran View Post
                      Well what makes the most sense is "economy 7 for car charging". Make the car chargers intelligent maybe add optical outputs on smart meters that allow the grid to control charging. That would allow you to plug in the car charger controller and you can pick "random minimum 4/8hr overnight charge", sometimes you might want to override this on the charger then pay the full price. This allows the Grid to charge you low rates to charge your car overnight but only when they predict spikes in generation.

                      20:00-> 06:30 is the dip

                      Fuel Mix and Carbon Intensity, Last 24 Hours

                      and 8 hours full charge but 35 minutes for 100 miles.
                      How Long Does It Take to Charge an Electric Car? | Pod Point.
                      Economy 7 does not scale as more people shift to charging overnight.

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