Don't buy a car.

[AtW]

What about those who live in the countryside (no street lights) in houses without driveways or garages?

Let them eat cake?

[vetran]

Disagree. Battery technology is improving rapidly, it will be become much cheaper over the coming years. Range of ordinary electric cars will break the 500 mile range soon and be no more expensive to buy than a current dinosaur fuel car.

Hydrogen technology will go nowhere.

Hydrogen technology will be used to store excess electricity and drive trucks & larger vehicles that need more range and power having similar qualities to Petrol & Diesel without the emissions.

Also if it grows a suitable infrastructure hydrogen may become popular in cars. Conversion of classic and older cars to Hybrid or pure Hydrogen seems possible.

As we are nearly self sufficient in wind & solar electricity but with intermittent over and under capacity it makes sense to increase the capacity, use hydrogen to store and use the excess to drive vehicles and petroleum engines.

Great benefits of hydrogen are the ability to ramp up, converting the existing fleet with dual fuel, when you stop selling diesel & petrol they become fully eco friendly or just sit and rust. As we have recently found electric cars are less eco friendly than conventional cars until they have covered 50,000 miles. If the premium for Hydrogen dual fuel is ~ £1-3000 (the price being quoted for retrofit) it would be a no brainer to buy a dual fuel hydrogen vehicle.

Hydrogen

• When hydrogen is burnt, only water is released, making hydrogen potentially the cleanest road transport fuel available. However, when burnt in conjunction with (even) small amounts of fossil fuel in an ICE, high temperatures can result in NOx emissions being produced, along with very small amounts of hydrocarbons and carbon dioxide. However, its tailpipe emissions will still be much lower than a conventional diesel van - ULEMCo duel fuel Ford Transit conversion produced 40% less nitrous oxide than a conventional diesel van .

This lot seem convincing.

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Fuel cells then takeover from battery cars removing the need for many of the nasty elements batteries need.

[vetran]

What about those who live in the countryside (no street lights) in houses without driveways or garages?

INKSPE. Where would the Chauffer put the car?

[darmstadt]

Disagree. Battery technology is improving rapidly, it will be become much cheaper over the coming years. Range of ordinary electric cars will break the 500 mile range soon and be no more expensive to buy than a current dinosaur fuel car.

Hydrogen technology will go nowhere.

Dunno about that, seems to go okay between Cuxhaven, Bremerhaven, Bremervörde and Buxtehude on a regular basis:

Der weltweit erste Wasserstoff-Zug fahrt im regularen Linienbetrieb - ingenieur.de

[WTFH]

INKSPE. Where would the Chauffer put the car?

Mine parks his under the helipad.
We only use him when we've both had a case or two of Dom.
Otherwise, we have a policy of owning cars that are enjoyable to drive and don't have "PDK", TDK etc.

[_V_]

What about those who live in the countryside (no street lights) in houses without driveways or garages?

They can move house or WFH or catch a bus. They have choices.

[Mordac]

Disagree. Battery technology is improving rapidly, it will be become much cheaper over the coming years. Range of ordinary electric cars will break the 500 mile range soon and be no more expensive to buy than a current dinosaur fuel car.

Hydrogen technology will go nowhere.

It doesn't matter how cheap batteries become, they still require Lithium (which has to be mined, refined and sent round the world a few times before it ends up in your car). When they reach end-of-life (in 5-10 years, depending on usage), they are hugely expensive to recycle, and most will end up in landfill.
Electric cars may be many things, but environmentally friendly isn't one of them.

[Paralytic]

It doesn't matter how cheap batteries become, they still require Lithium

Did batteries exist before Lithium was used in them? Is it therefore perceivable that batteries could exist without needing Lithium?

[vetran]

It doesn't matter how cheap batteries become, they still require Lithium (which has to be mined, refined and sent round the world a few times before it ends up in your car). When they reach end-of-life (in 5-10 years, depending on usage), they are hugely expensive to recycle, and most will end up in landfill.
Electric cars may be many things, but environmentally friendly isn't one of them.

Precisely. We are trying to undo 120 years of development in 10 years and we jumped on the first technology Battery which has significant challenges. Hydrogen ICE gives us a quick but graduated change. Then hydrogen fuel cells and or battery could take over long term.

[AtW]

It must be battery powered transport, this way we can disable all of it on Earth when the imminent invasion begins.

HTH