Doom London Tier 2 from Saturday

[Paddy]

Doom London Tier 2 from Saturday

Thank God for that, about time too.

[PCTNN]

Won't change much.

People will still meet up outdoors.

There need to be more deaths for people to start behaving appropriately. Give it a couple of months.

[dsc]

Who the hell is going to enforce this? Police is going to go from door to door checking? this changes feck all imho. Besides with an average two week lag between transmission and hospitalisation, the numbers will keep going up regardless of what happens now.

[Paddy]

Won't change much.

People will still meet up outdoors.

There need to be more deaths for people to start behaving appropriately. Give it a couple of months.

Who the hell is going to enforce this? Police is going to go from door to door checking? this changes feck all imho. Besides with an average two week lag between transmission and hospitalisation, the numbers will keep going up regardless of what happens now.

In which case they can then move to Tier 3 and close the pubs etc

[Mordac]

In which case they can then move to Tier 3 and close the pubs etc

Pubs are (generally) not the problem. Distancing, contact details, table service only etc are quite strictly enforced, from what I've seen.
The problem is outside pubs, such as large house parties or other large gatherings of mostly teenagers.

Tier 3 will be largely ignored by enough idiots that it will make no difference to the spread, while killing large swathes of the economy. Just my 2p worth.

[Paddy]

Pubs are (generally) not the problem. Distancing, contact details, table service only etc are quite strictly enforced, from what I've seen.
The problem is outside pubs, such as large house parties or other large gatherings of mostly teenagers.

Tier 3 will be largely ignored by enough idiots that it will make no difference to the spread, while killing large swathes of the economy. Just my 2p worth.

I agree with you however, coming out of pubs is a problem, social distancing disappears. The restricted opening hours have made it worse especially for those you go out with the intention of getting drunk who now mingle with late shoppers.

[Andy2]

Either you can wreck the economy with the lockdowns or save the economy and let some people die
wrecking the economy will take more lives in the long term.

[PCTNN]

I agree with you however, coming out of pubs is a problem, social distancing disappears. The restricted opening hours have made it worse especially for those you go out with the intention of getting drunk who now mingle with late shoppers.

The problem seems to be all the assh0les who want to party and get drunk, which they will do in house parties when the pubs eventually get shut. Everywhere there is booze, there's going to be gatherings and irresponsible behaviour.

What else can be done? Maybe a tier 4 where we stop selling booze altogether? The whole country will be miserable but no booze no partying might stop the spread? No easy way out.

[SueEllen]

Either you can wreck the economy with the lockdowns or save the economy and let some people die
wrecking the economy will take more lives in the long term.

Only if you are this government.

If you are in NZ, Taiwan, Japan, South Korea or Vietnam you introduce very strict laws as soon as you hear of the virus rather than not attending COBRA meetings. You sort out your track and trace while doing so and your population seeing they aren't lead by charlatans and liars follow the public health guidence you give them.

[AtW]

From the "reopening" there should have been clear understanding that once infection rates reach level X then national lockdown happens again until rates drop to level Y.

6 weeks of (strict!) lockdown might reset rates low enough to limp over to Spring by which at least some vaccines should be made available.

2 weeks won't be enough, totally pointless.