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[vetran]

I suspect sooner or later a judge will notice HMRC colluded with many of the loan firms and permitted them to exist and continue scamming people. Yes you can normally only cheat an honest man but the statement HMRC reviewed with queens council approval (or similar) was in a lot of brochures.

Maybe they will count HMRC partially responsible?

[eek]

I suspect sooner or later a judge will notice HMRC colluded with many of the loan firms and permitted them to exist and continue scamming people. Yes you can normally only cheat an honest man but the statement HMRC reviewed with queens council approval (or similar) was in a lot of brochures.

Maybe they will count HMRC partially responsible?

[Old Greg]

I suspect sooner or later a judge will notice HMRC colluded with many of the loan firms and permitted them to exist and continue scamming people. Yes you can normally only cheat an honest man but the statement HMRC reviewed with queens council approval (or similar) was in a lot of brochures.

Maybe they will count HMRC partially responsible?

Partially responsible for what - the Loan Charge?

[Paralytic]

I suspect sooner or later a judge will notice HMRC colluded with many of the loan firms and permitted them to exist and continue scamming people. Yes you can normally only cheat an honest man but the statement HMRC reviewed with queens council approval (or similar) was in a lot of brochures.

Maybe they will count HMRC partially responsible?

"HMRC colluded with many of the loan firms"

That's a pretty serious allegation. Do you have any evidence?

"the statement HMRC reviewed with queens council approval (or similar) was in a lot of brochures."

Did HMRC claim/confirm this? And did those that signed up for the schemes ask to see the approval?

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"HMRC colluded with many of the loan firms"

That's a pretty serious allegation. Do you have any evidence?

"the statement HMRC reviewed with queens council approval (or similar) was in a lot of brochures."

Did HMRC claim/confirm this? And did those that signed up for the schemes ask to see the approval?

HMRC reviewed doesn't say HMRC approved of it. Reviewed probably means they had a laugh while reading it.

QC approved was the other one and my viewpoint of that has always been the same, he reviewed the scheme while approving his very liquid and enjoyable lunch that the scheme organisers paid for.

[vetran]

Finally 24th July this year.

Loan charge: HMRC's plans to clampdown on loan-scheme promoters slammed by IT contractors

in the wake of criticism over its past enforcement of the loan-charge policy

HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC) is seeking feedback on a set of proposals designed to clamp down on the promoters of tax-avoidance schemes that have left tens of thousands of IT contractors saddled with life-changing tax bills.

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The tax-collection agency said the proposed legislative changes seek to “strengthen” its existing anti-tax avoidance regimes, and “change the behaviours” of those involved in the promotion and enablement of arrangements that confer a “tax advantage” on participants.
As such, the proposals will enable HMRC to “more effectively” issue stop notices to parties found to be involved in the marketing of tax-avoidance arrangements through its existing Promoters of Tax-Avoidance Scheme (POTAS) rules.
These rules were introduced in 2014 to provide HMRC with a means of addressing the behaviour of promoters it deemed to be at high risk of developing tax avoidance schemes, or encouraging others to participate in them.

The proposals published this week aim to make it easier for HMRC to obtain information about the “enabling of abusive schemes” as soon as they are identified and issue penalties as soon as a tax-avoidance scheme has been defeated at tribunal.

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Loan charge: HMRC's plans to clampdown on loan-scheme promoters slammed by IT contractors

What's that got to do with the price of fish or in fact anything at all to do with loan scheme promoters... Just because HMRC is crap at doing X it doesn't mean they have any responsibility nor blame for the fact people did ABC...

[vetran]

"HMRC colluded with many of the loan firms"

That's a pretty serious allegation. Do you have any evidence?

"the statement HMRC reviewed with queens council approval (or similar) was in a lot of brochures."

Did HMRC claim/confirm this? And did those that signed up for the schemes ask to see the approval?

cooperate in a secret or unlawful way in order to deceive or gain an advantage over others.

Are you saying that HMRC disclosed all information?

[vetran]

What's that got to do with the price of fish or in fact anything at all to do with loan scheme promoters... Just because HMRC is crap at doing X it doesn't mean they have any responsibility nor blame for the fact people did ABC...

Actually as I understand it the government's inability to do things correctly is part of many legal decisions. At the very least if they are proven incompetent then penalties can't really be levied.

I'm not defending those who used the loan schemes just pointing out it was a scam the government failed to fix 20 years ago.

[AtW]

Actually as I understand it the government's inability to do things correctly is part of many legal decisions. At the very least if they are proven incompetent then penalties can't really be levied.

I'm not defending those who used the loan schemes just pointing out it was a scam the government failed to fix 20 years ago.

You go get a QC to approve that statement and then we can laugh even more