Why hasn’t London locked down?

[DoctorStrangelove]

I do dislike the "life at any cost" mentality. Palliative care is another inconsistently available and underfunded area.

Ah yes, the terminally ill who are denied painkillers because of addiction.

[ladymuck]

Ah yes, the terminally ill who are denied painkillers because of addiction.

Yeah, they're dying. Getting addicted to prescription painkillers is the least of their worries.

[NotAllThere]

Yeah, they're dying. Getting addicted to prescription painkillers is the least of their worries.

If someone is dying in pain due to a doctor worried that they'll be addicted, then the doctor isn't following good clinical practice. There is absolutely no reason not to give pain relief to terminally ill patients. Up until and beyond the lethal dose. All quite legal.

[Scoobos]

If someone is dying in pain due to a doctor worried that they'll be addicted, then the doctor isn't following good clinical practice. There is absolutely no reason not to give pain relief to terminally ill patients. Up until and beyond the lethal dose. All quite legal.

I didn't know the beyond bit was allowed? That's euthanasia isn't it?

My aunt wanted that when she died back in 2017 and it wasn't a thing. She was comfortable though, as much as she could be. (took a selfie on her second to last day with us).

[Old Greg]

I didn't know the beyond bit was allowed? That's euthanasia isn't it?

My aunt wanted that when she died back in 2017 and it wasn't a thing. She was comfortable though, as much as she could be. (took a selfie on her second to last day with us).

IIRC, if the does is indicated by the level of pain and the intent of the dose is to relieve pain, rather than to kill, it is allowed.

[Scoobos]

Good news today though - hospital admissions down to rising by only 8% , thats far lower than any other day to date, during the outbreak.

Deaths down considerably too.

[LondonManc]

So we're spending millions on ventilators to what end?

If people now know that those who need them are brown bread within days anyway, sounds horrible, but shouldn't the money be thrown at something else like PPE equipment and other more useful stuff. Morphine, etc?

[ladymuck]

So we're spending millions on ventilators to what end?

If people now know that those who need them are brown bread within days anyway, sounds horrible, but shouldn't the money be thrown at something else like PPE equipment and other more useful stuff. Morphine, etc?

Because (a) every other country is doing it, so why aren't we?, (b) the public outry at not being seen to at least try and instead leaving people to die will probably lead to riots, (c) there are probably a few people for whom it works and therefore see (b).

[LondonManc]

Because (a) every other country is doing it, so why aren't we?, (b) the public outry at not being seen to at least try and instead leaving people to die will probably lead to riots, (c) there are probably a few people for whom it works and therefore see (b).

My whole point was around your point (c), with reference to this link posted earlier:
Coronavirus doctor reveals he is yet to get a patient off a ventilator alive and his hospital could run out by Easter

[Andy2]

So we're spending millions on ventilators to what end?

If people now know that those who need them are brown bread within days anyway, sounds horrible, but shouldn't the money be thrown at something else like PPE equipment and other more useful stuff. Morphine, etc?

a large dose of morphine will be better than lying face down for 2-3 weeks paralysed and used like a sock puppet