Gender

[DealorNoDeal]

I believe that my assessment of "overcoming the cotton ceiling" is correct. Its behaviours are coercive and its goal is the total and complete acceptance of the fabrication that trans-women are literally women. The conclusion of which is that if TWAW then lesbians are bigots for not accepting dick without question. This is hugely damaging to those young people for whom discovering who they are and how they want to live is already a lonely and painful journey.

It's telling that the majority of the most vocal, bullying TAs are trans-women. Their wroth is directed at women, especially feminists and lesbians. They rarely have a pop at men.

Trans-men are generally a lot more peaceful.

[NotAllThere]

I need to stop reading this thread.

I mostly posted it for the a-gender pun.

Not all trans women are pre op though. Are you sure you're not confused about the difference between transgender & transvestite

The former are obsessed with sexual identity, the latter think it is utterly unimportant.

[Whorty]

I think you misunderstand my post. By Gay I mean the trans "boy" likes boys! So considering "he" was originally a "she", how can "he" be gay?

If you don't understand it, or don't want to, then don't try. Just live and let live and don't judge people

Edit: this isn't aimed at you specifically, it's a general statement aimed at each of us.

[wattaj]

Not all trans women are pre op though. Are you sure you're not confused about the difference between transgender & transvestite? I think your view is very general & quite narrow minded, but then maybe you're speaking from experience. I don't know. Either way, you're entitled to your opinion I suppose. Just be careful you're not verging on the transphobic.

And there it is: "trans-phobic". A term that has lost so much of its weight through mis- and over-use as to be meaningless in contemporary discourse. People can live how they please; good luck to them I say. HOWEVER, I draw a very firm line at people's belief systems and mental health issues encroaching upon the safety, well-being, and sex-based rights of women... a population that has been regarded as little more than property throughout history because of their reproductive ability; their sex.

2020 will see biological men compete openly in women's sports at the Tokyo Olympics. We are already seeing biological men competing at regional and national levels around the world and mediocre males pushing elite females out of their competitive fields. Serious injuries are also being inflicted upon females in contact sports that have been infiltrated by self-identifying women.

Biology must have primacy over men's feelz.

And no, I have no personal experience of these matters. I simply prefer to be better informed.

[Zigenare]

You're really struggling with this, aren't you?

Nope, I just find it strange that a girl becomes a boy, fancies boys and labels themselves as "gay".

Oh well.

[wattaj]

Yeah, fair point, I was at work and it wasn't appropriate to google the correct terms It was dredged up from what I'd read at college during my human biology A-Level so appreciate that medical science has moved on.

Soz, I fell down the "trans" rabbit-hole last year when I started to follow @Glinner on the Twitter. And then a few of his feminist/academic followers... it's been a journey.

[KinooOrKinog]

And there it is: "trans-phobic". A term that has lost so much of its weight through mis- and over-use as to be meaningless in contemporary discourse. People can live how they please; good luck to them I say. HOWEVER, I draw a very firm line at people's belief systems and mental health issues encroaching upon the safety, well-being, and sex-based rights of women... a population that has been regarded as little more than property throughout history because of their reproductive ability; their sex.

2020 will see biological men compete openly in women's sports at the Tokyo Olympics. We are already seeing biological men competing at regional and national levels around the world and mediocre males pushing elite females out of their competitive fields. Serious injuries are also being inflicted upon females in contact sports that have been infiltrated by self-identifying women.

Biology has to have primacy over men's feelz.

And no, I have no personal experience of these matters. I simply prefer to be better informed.

But you are being transphobic. You're perfectly entitled to have a view or make a judgement on an individual based on their actions but in this case you seem to have a negative view of ALL trans women despite never having met them all. That's exactly the same as having a negative view of someone just because they're black, gay, male, female, old, young, etc. It definitely doesn't sound like you're happy for them to live like they please.

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[wattaj]

But you are being transphobic. You're perfectly entitled to have a view or make a judgement on an individual based on their actions but in this case you seem to have a negative view of ALL trans women despite never having met them all. That's exactly the same as having a negative view of someone just because they're black, gay, male, female, old, young, etc. It definitely doesn't sound like you're happy for them to live like they please.

I will repeat for the cheap seats: people can live as they please... as long as how they please does not negatively impact upon others. Particularly where those others are an already marginalised group.

[wattaj]

But you are being transphobic.

As evidenced by what exactly?

[KinooOrKinog]

As evidenced by what exactly?

As I said. By having a negative view of an entire group of people based only on the fact that they are transgender.

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