Is liberalism obsolete?

[Old Greg]

The 'alt-right' probably do. What about the critics of liberalism who aren't alt-right? Like Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro etc?

Dont follow them so can't comment. But I am guessing they do not make general sweeping statements that liberals label anyone who disagrees with them as a Nazi or racist. Because that would be daft. I might disagree with someone on whether healthcare should be free at the point of delivery. It could get heated. But I wouldn't call them a Nazi or racist. That would be plain weird.

Amusingly, by saying that liberals say x and y about people they disagree with, you are making up stuff about at least a subset of people you disagree with. A shame really because there is probably an interesting discussion about why some liberals overuse accusations of racism and Nazism, and why some right wingers overstate how often this happens.

[Jog On]

They aren't making him "look" like an intolerant racist, they are merely reporting what he said. The fact that what he said is intolerant and racist is not the Beeb's fault.

It's very sad that as humans we can't accept that we are all the same despite the colour of our skin or who was brought up in a different part of the world..

Anyone against multi-culturalism (whether whites against non-whites or vice-versa) are racists. It's really as simple as that.

What did he say that is intolerant and racist?

These are the actual words he said that the BBC quoted:

"This liberal idea presupposes that nothing needs to be done. That migrants can kill, plunder and rape with impunity because their rights as migrants have to be protected."

My interpretation is that migrants should not be above the law because they are migrants

"no problems with LGBT persons… but some things do appear excessive to us".

"They claim now that children can play five or six gender roles," he continued.

"Let everyone be happy, we have no problem with that. But this must not be allowed to overshadow the culture, traditions and traditional family values of millions of people making up the core population."

My interpretation of that is that everyone can do/be what they want and the core population are still 'traditional' - ie straight and CIS gendered and they can do/be be what they want as well without having other people's cultures forced on them.

[Jog On]

You said:

Trying to stifle free speech by labelling people as politically correct and condemning them for using words like 'racist' or 'sexist'.

HTH

Nonsense. The alt right want to make it unacceptable to call a racist a racist. This is a sign of their hypocrisy when it comes to free speech and debate.

Dont follow them so can't comment. But I am guessing they do not make general sweeping statements that liberals label anyone who disagrees with them as a Nazi or racist. Because that would be daft. I might disagree with someone on whether healthcare should be free at the point of delivery. It could get heated. But I wouldn't call them a Nazi or racist. That would be plain weird.

Amusingly, by saying that liberals say x and y about people they disagree with, you are making up stuff about at least a subset of people you disagree with. A shame really because there is probably an interesting discussion about why some liberals overuse accusations of racism and Nazism, and why some right wingers overstate how often this happens.

So basically you agree that liberals label people as racists/sexists etc to shut down the discussion. And you think that people pointing this out are 'stifling free speech'. You can try and over complicate it all you want but it's a very simple concept of one side using the 'hate speech' argument to shut down the opposition rather than argue on the actual points. And no - this isn't something the right do, it's absolutely a liberal thing. Everyone (including you) knows this.

Glad you think it's daft though, can agree with that.

[Old Greg]

You said:







So basically you agree that liberals label people as racists/sexists etc to shut down the discussion.

No, I said:

some liberals overuse accusations of racism and Nazism

Not what you claim I said at all. Shame you missed an opportunity for an interesting coversation. I'm off ot the beach now.

[vetran]

Anyone against multi-culturalism (whether whites against non-whites or vice-versa) are racists. It's really as simple as that.

nice opinion got any facts?

[Whorty]

nice opinion got any facts?

It's an opinion and therefore doesn't need to be backed up by facts. FFS, you really are dim.

[Whorty]

What did he say that is intolerant and racist?

These are the actual words he said that the BBC quoted:



My interpretation is that migrants should not be above the law because they are migrants



My interpretation of that is that everyone can do/be what they want and the core population are still 'traditional' - ie straight and CIS gendered and they can do/be be what they want as well without having other people's cultures forced on them.

Your interpretation is based on your own biased narrative. My interpretation of your biased view is you are wrong, and way off the mark

[Jog On]

Your interpretation is based on your own biased narrative. My interpretation of your biased view is you are wrong, and way off the mark

And what would be your interpretation of the actual words he said that the BBC quoted and where is the racism etc you referred to?

My interpretation of your biased view is similar to the one you have of mine.

[WordIsBond]

Anyone against multi-culturalism (whether whites against non-whites or vice-versa) are racists. It's really as simple as that.

No it's not. For it to be as simple as that you'd have to define multi-culturalism.

Honour-killing of daughters who sleep with guys they aren't married to, or marry outside their religion, is an accepted part of some cultures. Is it racist to ban that in the UK? Yes or no?

If we want to make opposition to multi-culturalism 'racist' and yet restrict certain cultural practices then we have to come up with a definition of multi-culturalism that works. Otherwise, you've turned 'racist' into a meaningless and subjective word with your statement.

[Zigenare]

No it's not. For it to be as simple as that you'd have to define multi-culturalism.

Honour-killing of daughters who sleep with guys they aren't married to, or marry outside their religion, is an accepted part of some cultures. Is it racist to ban that in the UK? Yes or no?

If we want to make opposition to multi-culturalism 'racist' and yet restrict certain cultural practices then we have to come up with a definition of multi-culturalism that works. Otherwise, you've turned 'racist' into a meaningless and subjective word with your statement.

What a stupid question. We already have laws in the UK regarding murder.