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    Terrible client

    Hi,
    So I’ve been working as my own limited company with a small company involved in agricultural analysis on a number of contracts for the past couple of years. Things have mostly been fine and the work is fairly interesting.

    The trouble is now that the permie developers have left (which I’m somehow being blamed for) I’m the only person left on a project that’s supposed to be finished by the end of the year. Incidentally, despite the apparent importance of the project, both permies were given gardening leave.

    I’m being pressured by the client to work late and make written commitments that I’ll complete a list of tasks which there simply isn’t enough time (of course I refuse). Unfortunately also, due to getting my main home computer fixed and lack of apparent urgency I only submitted my invoices for the previous two months at the start of December.
    The client is being intolerable, accusing me of not working, demanding that I show evidence of doing all work (each line timestamped, apparently) and claiming that I would be be in breach of contract unless I come in at 9am (I know, IR35 etc which I’ve told the client).

    I only have one week to go but the client continues to make unreasonable demands, frequent verbal abuse regarding my ability and professionalism and on one occasion a remark that I would not be paid unless the project is finished. (Which is almost anticipatory breach of contract)

    My contract actually states that I will assist in the development of the project and that’s it. My feeling is that the client wants to push me into a breach of contract, claiming withdrawal of service if I refuse to work in these conditions.
    Also then rather than paying for legal action he’ll probably just withhold payment.

    I could actually put in a reasonable effort if I wasn’t having to deal with this continual harassment and demands for proof of working, daily reports, impromptu demos without warning, working late, etc.

    I am pushing back: “I’m not obliged to do that” “you do not have direct control over my work” etc, but it hasn’t helped.

    The advice I got from an IPSE legal advisor was just to tough it out to the end basically. What I’m not keen on though is being harassed so much I can’t effectively work or being provoked into some breach and losing out anyway.

    I’m wondering how much this level of obstruction might relieve me of my obligations.

    Any advice? Anything, legal or strategic would be appreciated.

    Jimmy

    #2
    You only have 1 week to go. Put up and just see it through, surely ?
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      #3
      Put up with it don't argue, do as they say, rather than arguing back,say very little and once you've finished invoice them, and if they don't pay hand over to a debt collection agency. The advice of not walking out is good advice, you don't want to be the one who breached the contract.
      I'm alright Jack

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        #4
        Originally posted by Jimmy3 View Post
        I only have one week to go but the client continues to make unreasonable demands, frequent verbal abuse regarding my ability and professionalism and on one occasion a remark that I would not be paid unless the project is finished.
        You think your job is stressful....?

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          #5
          Are you direct or through an agency? It sounds like you are direct?

          Obviously the invoice thing was a mistake. Did you get any timesheets signed? What are the payment terms?

          Has there been any discussion of extension? If they want an extension(and it sounds like they are desperate) insist on better working conditions, in writing. And get your back invoices paid.

          More likely you are going to have to go to court to get paid.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Jimmy3 View Post
            Hi,
            So I’ve been working as my own limited company with a small company involved in agricultural analysis on a number of contracts for the past couple of years. Things have mostly been fine and the work is fairly interesting.

            The trouble is now that the permie developers have left (which I’m somehow being blamed for) I’m the only person left on a project that’s supposed to be finished by the end of the year. Incidentally, despite the apparent importance of the project, both permies were given gardening leave.

            I’m being pressured by the client to work late and make written commitments that I’ll complete a list of tasks which there simply isn’t enough time (of course I refuse). Unfortunately also, due to getting my main home computer fixed and lack of apparent urgency I only submitted my invoices for the previous two months at the start of December.
            The client is being intolerable, accusing me of not working, demanding that I show evidence of doing all work (each line timestamped, apparently) and claiming that I would be be in breach of contract unless I come in at 9am (I know, IR35 etc which I’ve told the client).

            I only have one week to go but the client continues to make unreasonable demands, frequent verbal abuse regarding my ability and professionalism and on one occasion a remark that I would not be paid unless the project is finished. (Which is almost anticipatory breach of contract)

            My contract actually states that I will assist in the development of the project and that’s it. My feeling is that the client wants to push me into a breach of contract, claiming withdrawal of service if I refuse to work in these conditions.
            Also then rather than paying for legal action he’ll probably just withhold payment.

            I could actually put in a reasonable effort if I wasn’t having to deal with this continual harassment and demands for proof of working, daily reports, impromptu demos without warning, working late, etc.

            I am pushing back: “I’m not obliged to do that” “you do not have direct control over my work” etc, but it hasn’t helped.

            The advice I got from an IPSE legal advisor was just to tough it out to the end basically. What I’m not keen on though is being harassed so much I can’t effectively work or being provoked into some breach and losing out anyway.

            I’m wondering how much this level of obstruction might relieve me of my obligations.

            Any advice? Anything, legal or strategic would be appreciated.

            Jimmy
            Be nice to those who abuse you at work. Bring in special home-made cakes biscuits, (plenty of knob cheese, dandruff etc). Make the tea at work (use your own imagination). It will put a smile on your face for the rest of the week.
            "A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices," George Orwell

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              #7
              Originally posted by Jimmy3 View Post
              Hi,
              So I’ve been working as my own limited company with a small company involved in agricultural analysis on a number of contracts for the past couple of years. Things have mostly been fine and the work is fairly interesting.
              Nice tidy warchest then. Lovely jubbly.

              Originally posted by Jimmy3 View Post
              The trouble is now that the permie developers have left (which I’m somehow being blamed for) I’m the only person left on a project that’s supposed to be finished by the end of the year. Incidentally, despite the apparent importance of the project, both permies were given gardening leave.
              Local politics is beneath you. Water off a duck's back my friend.

              Originally posted by Jimmy3 View Post
              I’m being pressured by the client to work late and make written commitments that I’ll complete a list of tasks which there simply isn’t enough time (of course I refuse).
              You're the last developer standing. How much pressure can they really exert? Sounds like they're running out of cash.

              Originally posted by Jimmy3 View Post
              Unfortunately also, due to getting my main home computer fixed and lack of apparent urgency I only submitted my invoices for the previous two months at the start of December.
              Utter bellendry of the highest order. Your invoices are your finest work. Re-think if you're not leaving enough admin time for yourself. Clients will suck you dry, but you need a part of the week for admin. Ring fence it.

              Originally posted by Jimmy3 View Post
              The client is being intolerable, accusing me of not working, demanding that I show evidence of doing all work (each line timestamped, apparently) and claiming that I would be be in breach of contract unless I come in at 9am (I know, IR35 etc which I’ve told the client).
              Client is running out of cash I suspect, and building a case to not pay. Watch your back.

              Originally posted by Jimmy3 View Post
              I only have one week to go
              Hallelujah! On to pastures new. Nothing to worry about.

              Originally posted by Jimmy3 View Post
              but the client continues to make unreasonable demands, frequent verbal abuse regarding my ability and professionalism and on one occasion a remark that I would not be paid unless the project is finished. (Which is almost anticipatory breach of contract)
              You've put yourself in a bit of a situation here by falling behind with invoicing. You now have to complete the work, and may not get paid.

              Originally posted by Jimmy3 View Post
              My contract actually states that I will assist in the development of the project and that’s it. My feeling is that the client wants to push me into a breach of contract, claiming withdrawal of service if I refuse to work in these conditions.
              Yup

              Originally posted by Jimmy3 View Post
              Also then rather than paying for legal action he’ll probably just withhold payment.
              Originally posted by Jimmy3 View Post
              I could actually put in a reasonable effort if I wasn’t having to deal with this continual harassment and demands for proof of working, daily reports, impromptu demos without warning, working late, etc.
              Keep an interruptions log.


              Originally posted by Jimmy3 View Post
              I am pushing back: “I’m not obliged to do that” “you do not have direct control over my work” etc, but it hasn’t helped.
              You sound like a whiny disguised employee. You're not. Put your directors hat on and talk to them properly.

              Originally posted by Jimmy3 View Post
              The advice I got from an IPSE legal advisor was just to tough it out to the end basically. What I’m not keen on though is being harassed so much I can’t effectively work or being provoked into some breach and losing out anyway.
              If your timesheets are signed, you're covered. You do have signed timesheets, right?

              Originally posted by Jimmy3 View Post
              I’m wondering how much this level of obstruction might relieve me of my obligations.
              Your obligations are stated in your contract. This is why you call yourself a contractor.
              Knock first as I might be balancing my chakras.

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                #8
                If via an agency pressure them to pay the outstanding invoice(s) based on payment terms in your contract. One of the few benefits of agences is they tend to pay out before they get paid by the client.

                If on a day rate maybe negotiate with client that you'll put more hours in than whatever is in your contract as a professional working day, to get as much done as possible in the final week, providing you can invoice for the additional time somehow (e.g. additional days beyond the 7 physically possible in a week).

                If on a hourly rate then kerching, work as many hours as you can manage. My best was 90 hours in one week, largest invoice ever. No idea how doctors and nurses average that (if they still do) from time to time as I was knackered at the end of it but had a few weeks rest before getting another contract.

                You know the real reason why the permies left, client is run by arsehole(s). At least with only one week left you just need to worry about getting paid and can then blacklist the client as one never to even consider going back to, unless they have a total management change.
                Maybe tomorrow, I'll want to settle down. Until tomorrow, I'll just keep moving on.

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                  #9
                  its a week left, play the game, turn up at 9am, go home at 5pm for 5 days. It is Xmas and someone in your family must need assistance so you can't work longer.

                  If they want more then they need to pay your outstanding invoices first. If you do negotiate then make it a short time < 3 months and ream them, payment up front.

                  Do not commit to any deadlines apologise but their loss of the other resources has meant you have had to learn their part of the project as well before you can carry on, you have to be able to sell that.

                  Take copies of the abusive & money related emails / forward to a reputable 3rd party if you can legally.

                  Make sure they acknowledge the invoices even if they try to refute them. Make sure they get the last one on your last day. If you can make sure the outstanding money is under the small claims limit, I'm told its just easier to chase.

                  You owe them absolutely nothing when they start that tulip. Get advice and make sure you are clean.

                  But get the hell out, they will do your head in, get your money (if you can) and get a new contract. When you have got away then sue the barstewards.

                  How small is the customer base are this customer well known can they make life difficult for you? Would their competitors believe them if they bad mouthed you? If so check your NDA is both ways & remind them if need be.
                  Last edited by vetran; 17 December 2017, 16:45.
                  Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by vetran View Post
                    ... Take copies of the abusive & money related emails / forward to a reputable 3rd party if you can legally. ...
                    Absolutely. Get any evidence you can that you fulfilled the terms of your contract (whether that be direct or with agency) and any proof that the client did not, and was less than professional. Just in case the worst happens and it goes to court or looks like going that way if they think they have you over a barrel and play chicken on the payment.

                    If you can get signed letters of support from anyone else at client (still there or recently moved on) all the better. You need to be able to show that you were in the right and client was in the wrong, and that any invoices are backed up with signed timesheets and any other proof you did the actual work (emails, project plan updates, etc).

                    Hopefully the client is just being a dick due to the stress of being behind schedule and will come to their senses, but be prepared for them just being dicks and arseholes and *****, and look forward to the last time you leave their offices and never have to go back. It's a great feeling.
                    Maybe tomorrow, I'll want to settle down. Until tomorrow, I'll just keep moving on.

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