November Budget - Stop Public sector IR35 rules coming into the Private sector

[vwdan]

I made this observation in another thread. Problem for the infrastructure contractors it would probably bring many more contracts in to scope; and in all fairness they probably should be - doing reactive support as a service is pretty close to permie work and being given a workload, if that's the basis of your gig. If however you are there to deliver business transformation / 100% project work then I think you shouldn't have too much to worry about.

It's liability - how many companies are going to risk being stung by HMRC just so they can keep you on? I'm pretty proud of what I do and I think I make an impact in most organisations I work for (Enough certainly keep in touch to make me think I'm doing something right), but I'm not naive enough to think I'm going to be considered some kind of exception by most.

Once HMRC start delivering their scare message to businesses, reminding them of their obligation and risk I suspect many (At least initially) will simply opt for Inside. Or, they'll just go and use the big boys. One of the only places I can really compete is on price - once I'm inside IR35 I'll need to charge the best part of Capitas rates to make it worthwhile.

Unfortunately I'd love to get a more local gig and then I wouldn't really care, but in 6 years of Permie and Contract consultancy I've had literally 3 days with a customer where I was <1hr from home.

I'm not worried because I think I'm inside IR35 - on the contrary, I think I'm the epitome of what a contract consultant business should look like (Multiple projects, many customers, skilled, generally considered the last word in a meeting, most customers barely know what I do let alone tell me how to do it etc). I'm worried because the risk adverse nature of businesses, coupled with HMRC's deliberate intent to pressure the Inside conclusion, is likely to make contracting no longer a viable option.

[mattfx]

I'm having an optimistic day.
Guys. If your contract is outside and more importantly your working practices are outside what are you worrying about. These clients need you as much as you need them. An employee will still cost more even with significant rate rises.

I made this observation in another thread. Problem for the infrastructure contractors it would probably bring many more contracts in to scope; and in all fairness they probably should be - doing reactive support as a service is pretty close to permie work and being given a workload, if that's the basis of your gig. If however you are there to deliver business transformation / 100% project work then I think you shouldn't have too much to worry about.

[d000hg]

That page doesn't even detail what the changes are, it's like the union letters Mrs d000hg gets pressuring her to strike without explaining why.

CUK had an article on it: Treasury takes over 'extend off-payroll rules' rhetoric :: Contractor UK
That references this: Don't use Autumn Budget 2017 to extend IR35 reform, Hammond told :: Contractor UK

But they both just talk about extending public sector changes to private without saying what they are. Was it just "you're all in IR35?"

[poorautojobber]

I'm having an optimistic day.
Guys. If your contract is outside and more importantly your working practices are outside what are you worrying about. These clients need you as much as you need them. An employee will still cost more even with significant rate rises.

On the other hand your probably right we are all doomed.

[BoredBloke]

Presumably they will roll it out into the private sector to level the playing field and remove the unfairness between the public and private sectors - avoiding the fact that they were responsible for creating the unfairness and uneaven playing surface in the first place.

[Eirikur]

so you are in the clear if IR35 rules are introduced into the private sector then?

no and neither are you IPSE member or not*

*I suppose you mean public sector rules introduced in the private sector because IR35 has been around a very long time also in the private sector

[cojak]

My guess is that this is going to happen irrespective of any letter writing and then rolled back 1 -2 years after implementation due to the chaos brought into the private sector.

Those contractors who can survive those months will be the ones best placed to benefit from the roll-back.

[SimonMac]

Are we sending it to the HoC or constituency office?

[vwdan]

Just sent me - edited it and I'll admit it got a bit ranty towards the end there!

[mudskipper]

My letter is sent. We've got a new boy, so I'm hoping he might be a bit keener than his predecessor.