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November Budget - Stop Public sector IR35 rules coming into the Private sector
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Regarding the part about not being able to work in a London bank when based elsewhere, I think that is a valid point. We are supposed to be a flexible resource and the removal of our ability to expense remote temporary assignments removes our flexibility - something that's not removed for the big consultancies/body shops when they post their staff. Where I live roles are pretty scarce and over the past 17 years I've pretty much worked away from home. Without being able to offset the travel and accommodation costs then remote roles will be out of the question. They say that employees can't expense commuting costs, but how many of them have to stay in a London hotel 4 nights of the week? -
Originally posted by eek View PostIt was the exact opposite agencies were requiring people to be self employed to avoid responsibility for tax
Either way, the industry changed pretty much overnight due to somebody in the chain not wanting to expose themselves to a contractors tax liability.Leave a comment:
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Originally posted by jamesbrown View PostAside from this and lobbying directly, there isn’t much that can be done, fullstop. I think it helps insofar as they sense a degree of opposition from the number of letters received, particularly letters that don’t follow the lobbying format of an interest group. The Faqqer provided an analogy earlier in this thread, I think. Any savvy politician will think twice if there’s an unusually high degree of opposition to something, but the Tories have shown themselves to be pretty tin eared, and the Chancellor, in particular.
Originally posted by SueEllen View PostWhen you explain our situation to anyone including MPs you need to think of sectors e.g. engineering where there are very well known skills shortages and where making it difficult to get contractors will directly impact their own lives e.g. trains, electricity. It also helps if that sector complaining about not getting skilled people was recently in the media somewhere particularly a newspaper.
Going on about how you won't be able to work in a bank in London due to living in Edinburgh simply won't cut it with most MPs.Leave a comment:
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Rant written to Tory MP.
Added in a bit towards the end about not being worth it to vote Tory due to their pretence of being pro-business and pro-flexible workforce. I didn't actually vote for the guy but he has a small majority so needed to drum it in that he could lose his seat if this goes through.
I've written to him before when they were removing expenses from the public sector, and he responds quickly.Leave a comment:
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Originally posted by jamesbrown View PostCautiously apprehensive?Leave a comment:
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Originally posted by mudskipper View PostMy representations have been conveyed to the Chief Exec of HMRC - not sure how I feel about that!Leave a comment:
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Originally posted by TheFaQQer View PostWhen you get the standard response, the follow up is to say thank you for their reply but you would like them to raise your concerns directly with the Chancellor.
They then pass that onto HMT who send the potted reply, but at least it means that Treasury have to do something to respond.Leave a comment:
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Originally posted by jonbon View PostSeems it's coming...but somehow don't see any urgency from firms on this as they will have to bear extra costs..transferring contractors to ftc, paying off agents, managing disruption...
Originally posted by cojak View PostMy guess is that this is going to happen irrespective of any letter writing and then rolled back 1 -2 years after implementation due to the chaos brought into the private sector.
Those contractors who can survive those months will be the ones best placed to benefit from the roll-back.Leave a comment:
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Originally posted by Guesstimator View PostYep. Same, potted response (though perhaps a bit more misguidedly pointed from Damian Hinds) from mine two years ago.
TBH, I don't think writing to MP's is the way to tackle this at all, they simply do not grasp the nuances.
They then pass that onto HMT who send the potted reply, but at least it means that Treasury have to do something to respond.Leave a comment:
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Originally posted by Swamp Thing View PostI think Bobspud's comment was illustrative.
I think the larger firms in a number of verticals (e.g. fintech, pharma) would go down the option b) route. Not for being altruistic towards contractors of course. But in the rush pre-Brexit to retain quality flexible resources, they'll put more effort into demonstrating that the work on the ground delivered by contractors sits outside IR35. So, proper MOO, no SDC, project=based deliverables in contracts etc.
There's not too much extra work in making this happen - it's what should happen now. Contracts and working practices just need tightening up. And as for the risk of getting an outside decision wrong, I think the larger private sector firms will have more appetite to take this on than the public bodies have done.
If you add Uber’s latest defeat to the mix there won’t be a business in the U.K. that would choose put a legitimate contractor inside ir35. Only the civil service are that stupid. But I’m sure it won’t take long for their errors to dawn on themLeave a comment:
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