Ignoring economics.

[Lambert Simnel]

My main reason is my belief that climate change needs to be addressed, and it can only effectively be addressed by concerted action across governments by regulations and rulings such as the EU provides.
I also want the ease of travelling to and from Europe and the right to health care when I'm there, and the right to retire elsewhere in the EU if I want.
I enjoy the cultural diversity which membership of the EU has encouraged.
I am very concerned about the adequate staffing of our health service after leaving the EU.
I am worried about the UK's level of dependency on other countries for food and the combined impact on our agricultural industry as well as putting ourselves at the back of the queue should extreme weather cause significant shortages (Jay Rayner's paper summarises this risk very well, if anyone is actually interested).
I want my children to have the right to live and work in the other countries in the EU.
I believe we'll end up having to adhere to EU safety standards after leaving (those creating products will want to be able to sell them into the EU) but that we won't have any say into those same standards.

Oh, and the economy. Because even saying "ignoring economics", this is going to have an impact on jobs, employment conditions, and government revenue and thus spending which really can't be ignored.

[Lance]

absolutely :

UK falls to the bottom of the EU growth league

It is the UK that will suffer in Europe as a result of leaving it, not the other countries inside the EU. Virtually every economist is saying this.

haven't Brexiteers had enough of experts though?

[woohoo]

haven't Brexiteers had enough of experts though?

It's a guard piece so like the dailymail I take it with a pinch of salt.

But did you read the article though? Seriously, if you are going to quote an article at least read it.

[BlasterBates]

It's a guard piece so like the dailymail I take it with a pinch of salt.

But did you read the article though? Seriously, if you are going to quote an article at least read it.

You need to do a bit more reading because if you did you would know that the UK has lowest growth in the EU. That is just a statistical fact.

The only continent growing slower than the UK is Antarctica.

[woohoo]

My main reason is my belief that climate change needs to be addressed, and it can only effectively be addressed by concerted action across governments by regulations and rulings such as the EU provides.
I also want the ease of travelling to and from Europe and the right to health care when I'm there, and the right to retire elsewhere in the EU if I want.
I enjoy the cultural diversity which membership of the EU has encouraged.
I am very concerned about the adequate staffing of our health service after leaving the EU.
I am worried about the UK's level of dependency on other countries for food and the combined impact on our agricultural industry as well as putting ourselves at the back of the queue should extreme weather cause significant shortages (Jay Rayner's paper summarises this risk very well, if anyone is actually interested).
I want my children to have the right to live and work in the other countries in the EU.
I believe we'll end up having to adhere to EU safety standards after leaving (those creating products will want to be able to sell them into the EU) but that we won't have any say into those same standards.

Oh, and the economy. Because even saying "ignoring economics", this is going to have an impact on jobs, employment conditions, and government revenue and thus spending which really can't be ignored.

Is there any reason why Britain apart from the EU could not cooperate regarding climate change?

Regarding travel and retiring, I agree with you. I like to travel to the EU, im off this week on a road trip and anything that makes it more difficult will be a pain. But I already travel to other places and can deal with it. Retiring is an interesting one and I don't know what will happen about that.

You can still enjoy cultural diversity, unless there is something specific you are referring to?

I'm concerned about the NHS, it's been underfunded for years.

If you sell to the EU then yes you will have to adhere to their safety standards, applies to many other countries outside of the EU.

I believe the economy after an adjustment will be better off.

[woohoo]

You need to do a bit more reading because if you did you would know that the UK has lowest growth in the EU. That is just a statistical fact.

The only continent growing slower than the UK is Antarctica.

You read the bit about the UK being the top performer year on year? You based your entire statement on slow start to 2017, though evidence of it picking up. You read the bit about quantitative easing in the EU by buying bonds?

You know Brexit is ongoing and it will take time for the UK to leave the EU and for the economy to adjust.

[Lambert Simnel]

Is there any reason why Britain apart from the EU could not cooperate regarding climate change?

Regarding travel and retiring, I agree with you. I like to travel to the EU, im off this week on a road trip and anything that makes it more difficult will be a pain. But I already travel to other places and can deal with it. Retiring is an interesting one and I don't know what will happen about that.

You can still enjoy cultural diversity, unless there is something specific you are referring to?

I'm concerned about the NHS, it's been underfunded for years.

If you sell to the EU then yes you will have to adhere to their safety standards, applies to many other countries outside of the EU.

I believe the economy after an adjustment will be better off.

Individual countries can and do cooperate on climate change. It's a big enough problem that it needs cross-government cooperation. I believe that's more likely to happen and be effective with a larger EU with the UK still in it.

But, actually, I've little interest in arguing on a point by point basis. All of the points are matters of degrees. None become impossible outside the EU, but all of them become more difficult (or less effective).

Good luck with economy thing. I suspect it'll be a 5-10% hit on GDP per capita which will never be recovered.

[BlasterBates]

You read the bit about the UK being the top performer year on year? You based your entire statement on slow start to 2017, though evidence of it picking up. You read the bit about quantitative easing in the EU by buying bonds?

You know Brexit is ongoing and it will take time for the UK to leave the EU and for the economy to adjust.

It certainly will, it will get a lot smaller.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...n-growth-slows

Most of the shrinkage will occur as the UK exits the EU and goes over the cliff edge, unless of course the government backtracks and effectively stays in the EU, in which case the UK will simply sit in the doldrums shrinking and becoming increasingly irrelevant in a more sedate fashion, a bit like Greece.

[Paddy]

Is there any reason why Britain apart from the EU could not cooperate regarding climate change?

Regarding travel and retiring, I agree with you. I like to travel to the EU, im off this week on a road trip and anything that makes it more difficult will be a pain. But I already travel to other places and can deal with it. Retiring is an interesting one and I don't know what will happen about that.

You can still enjoy cultural diversity, unless there is something specific you are referring to?

I'm concerned about the NHS, it's been underfunded for years.

If you sell to the EU then yes you will have to adhere to their safety standards, applies to many other countries outside of the EU.

I believe the economy after an adjustment will be better off.

Based on what? How?

[BR14]

ok, i'll join in .
ignoring economics,

<insert 3 page spiel on economics here >

FFS