Grenfell rehousing

[WTFH]

The problem in this country there isn't enough housing being built so there is not enough rented out.

If there are lots of empty properties around the country then that would apply there is enough housing.
Unless, of course, the problem is that when property is built, instead of it being offered for sale to locals at an affordable price (or rented out to them), it is sold to investors at very high prices and then left unoccupied.

Some Original thinkers on here will say that is perfectly reasonable - build 10,000 homes, sell them and have them left vacant. Nothing wrong with that, it's just economics. If you can't afford to buy and can't find somewhere to rent, then you should move elsewhere, find a property and a job etc.
But the property market is lucrative, so it cannot be touched, and if people are poor, well they don't deserve any help.

[original PM]

I ain't exactly one of CUK's lefties but I would question the idea that scarce resources should be held simply as investments and largely unused. Wealth should be a reward for merit in a free market and investment in those things that improve the real economy.

I agree with you in some way.

However if that is something that we feel should be addressed then it is a different issue.

It should to be lumped in with this issue which is based around people in social housing not being able to pick and choose where they live.

[SueEllen]

If there are lots of empty properties around the country then that would apply there is enough housing.
Unless, of course, the problem is that when property is built, instead of it being offered for sale to locals at an affordable price (or rented out to them), it is sold to investors at very high prices and then left unoccupied.

The problem is vacant properties are in places were there is no work e.g. the old industrial cities and mining villages.

Hence some places have a larger proportion of refugees dumped their compared to the rest of the country.

Some Original thinkers on here will say that is perfectly reasonable - build 10,000 homes, sell them and have them left vacant. Nothing wrong with that, it's just economics. If you can't afford to buy and can't find somewhere to rent, then you should move elsewhere, find a property and a job etc.
But the property market is lucrative, so it cannot be touched, and if people are poor, well they don't deserve any help.

Previous governments before Thatcher worked out that wasn't a good idea as the peasants - us - revolted.

Plus rich people require cleaners, shop assistants, dog walkers, electricians, tree surgeons, gardeners, personal trainers, nurses, teachers, fire fighters, police officers etc to service their needs. These are all the types of people who are being priced out of living near them.

[BrilloPad]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...brigades-union

An enquiry into ALL housing is needed in this country.

[Lost It]

Or they could use the money they would waste giving some retired judge an income for the next 20 years on building a few more homes?

There's this large ship just docked at Portsmouth. I'm sure it has space for a few refugees to live in? Air conditioned, sea breezes, three square meals a day. It's not any use for anything else at the moment.

That would be a good example of the tax payers hard earned money being used for a good cause.

[vetran]

Council / Housing Association housing should be discounted according to need and reviewed every 2 years. Connect HMRC & social housing data houses with a higher rate taxpayer see the rent rise above private rents so people move on. Join Royal Mail data with Social housing data, redirections to another place suggests subletting.

Should be able to write those reports in a few hours and that is two of the big abuses dealt with.

Sales of council houses should now stop except at full price for redevelopment.

We should map all employees that are receiving in work benefits to their employers those that have large numbers should be approached and encouraged to pay a living wage.


Those who are long term unemployed in expensive boroughs should be moved out to cheaper ones and projects to create jobs started in the destination.

Create temporary housing that will allow us to house people in decent homes on secure sites not pay ridiculous fees for inadequate B&Bs. In the temporary homes sites set up creches & training schools to retrain those unemployed. There are plenty of old MOD sites suitable for this.

For the expensive homes built as an overseas investment charge a significant non occupancy charge. The owners then have a few choices come over or AirBnB for X weeks and spend their money in the UK, Rent it out to locals and pay tax in UK or pay the charge that is to be spent on building cheaper local housing.

Build some ffin housing.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayo...-a3612886.html

Not just singling out Khan , Bojo was nearly as bad.

When you decide to build it factor in infrastructure as well, more people=more roads+Schools+Hospitals etc.

Have fewer people wanting it!!!! Stop immigration.

[SueEllen]

Council / Housing Association housing should be discounted according to need and reviewed every 2 years. Connect HMRC & social housing data houses with a higher rate taxpayer see the rent rise above private rents so people move on. Join Royal Mail data with Social housing data, redirections to another place suggests subletting.

Shows how middle class you are:
1. People who sub-let don't redirect their mail. They turn up randomly to collect it.
2. Royal Mail is not allowed to redirect some post including benefit letters.

Finally the problem of making social housing only for those who are poor is that you turn them into ghettos like the US projects. Traditionally in the UK social housing housed a mixed section of society including the local doctor. This raised the aspirations of many people.

[original PM]

Shows how middle class you are:
1. People who sub-let don't redirect their mail. They turn up randomly to collect it.
2. Royal Mail is not allowed to redirect some post including benefit letters.

Finally the problem of making social housing only for those who are poor is that you turn them into ghettos like the US projects. Traditionally in the UK social housing housed a mixed section of society including the local doctor. This raised the aspirations of many people.

And also made a lot of people move out because they were sick of having their tv robbed.

[vetran]

Shows how middle class you are:
1. People who sub-let don't redirect their mail. They turn up randomly to collect it.
2. Royal Mail is not allowed to redirect some post including benefit letters.

Finally the problem of making social housing only for those who are poor is that you turn them into ghettos like the US projects. Traditionally in the UK social housing housed a mixed section of society including the local doctor. This raised the aspirations of many people.

1. You can prove that? Or do they redirect most of their mail or have mail sent to another address despite being registered at that one. So in 2010 they got a council property and registered their Mobile Phone, car, Energy, employment & so on there. In 2014 they move in with their girlfriend / boyfriend and redirect the most pressing mail or register at a new address?

2. OK so if you suspect its being sub let you can send a registered mail to the house and check the signature. Turn up to the benefit office in 3 days or we sanction you.

3. If you have had friends living 5 to a room in a B&B being attacked by other residents a Haven style mobile home / Chalet site with security guards & daily mandatory classes would be very attractive. We are talking about those that have been unable to get a job in 2 years.

[OwlHoot]

There's this large ship just docked at Portsmouth. I'm sure it has space for a few refugees to live in? Air conditioned, sea breezes, three square meals a day. It's not any use for anything else at the moment. ...

and once the refugees have all settled in, the ship could quietly up anchor, sail back to the Med, and drop them back off on the Libyan coast!